Armed Insurrections planned for 1/16-1/20

[Legion]

Nevermind the 600lb Gorilla in the room that the election wasn't fucking stolen.

“There was a widespread understanding that this election was not on the level. We still don’t know what really happened. No, it doesn’t kill me because he knows he’s an illegitimate president. I believe he understands that the many varying tactics they used, from voter suppression and voter purging to hacking to the false stories — he knows that — there were just a bunch of different reasons why the election turned out like it did. You can run the best campaign, you can even become the nominee, and you can have the election stolen from you."

 

[Legion]

It's definitely pretty obvious w/ Trump. Even more w/ him, because there is a large group that trusts him unconditionally, and without questioning.

The way you and other leftists trusted Blow Job Billy, B. Hussein, and the Hildebeast?

 

[Into the Night]

Wrong again, dumbass. It's amazing how often you can be wrong, dumbass. Do you ever get tired of being wrong, dumbass?

The heavily painted man wearing a horned fur hat who made a spectacle of himself on the dais of the US Senate during the storming of the Capitol has been identified as a QAnon supporter and fixture at far-right rallies in Arizona, according to a report.

Jake Angeli, 32, was seen posing in the chair occupied moments earlier by Vice President Mike Pence at the beginning of the election certification proceedings, which were halted when the riot began.

The shirtless conspiracy theorist — known as the “Q Shaman” — wore red, white and blue face paint as he brandished a spear from which hung an American flag.

In 2020, Angeli told the Arizona Republic that he wears the headgear and paint to attract attention as he talks about QAnon, which claims that a vast network of powerful people are behind a large pedophile ring — including the viral “pizzagate” conspiracy that falsely claimed one such ring ran out of a Washington, DC, pizza shop.

He's known Antifa.

 

[LV426]

Disagreed, but I'm still waiting to see numbers of how many people were at Trump's speech and then how many broke into the Capitol.

Doesn't matter, everyone there had the same intent...and Flash very helpfully made that clear when he quoted that NYT article where one of the people at the event, or who organized it, said not to think of it as a political rally or protest.

So now you have to wrestle with the tough question of...do I trust the NYT source to inform me about the terrorists, or don't I?

Yes, I'm aware of all the political bullshit words tossed back and forth. The election was fair and secure.

No. No, no. No no no no no....not "tossed back and forth"...only one side was lying and bullshitting about the election.

This isn't a bOtHsIdEs thing.

 

[Into the Night]

Agreed. Not a lawyer, but if you text and drive then hurt someone, you are held responsible for your negligence. Trump is the President of the United States of America. If he doesn't know what the fuck he is doing, then we have a major problem in the country and it isn't BLM or Antifa.

Now you are denying riots have been occurring in Portland, Seattle, Minneapolis, Oakland, Atlanta, Chicago, New York City, Los Angeles???? DEMOCRATS fund and support these idiots, dude. Not Trump.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It's definitely pretty obvious w/ Trump. Even more w/ him, because there is a large group that trusts him unconditionally, and without questioning.

Trump has left an indelible shitstain on the carpet in the Oval Office. I hope future Presidents look at the stain and keep reminding themselves "Don't be a Trump fuckup. Don't be a Trump fuckup." We, the People learn best from our own mistakes.

 

[Into the Night]

Nothing more dramatic than a mob of racists and Nazis attacking the Capitol because they were whipped into a frenzy over lies about the election being stolen.

There are no Nazis. Democrats are the racists and bigots. They have always been so and still are. It is Democrats that fund and support factions like the KKK, Antifa, BLM, and other violent mobs. It is Democrats that stole the election. Now you are going to effectively crown your leader, Joe Biden, on Jan 20th. Personally, I don't think he'll last very long, to be replaced by Pelosi, Harris, or even suffer from another of Hillary's 'accidents'. Just a prediction.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

A president's job is to preside--oversee and coordinate the work of people who are experts at what they do.
No one man or woman can have a PHD in every field of endeavor over which the president presides.
That's why qualified experts are required in both appointed cabinet positions and career professional positions as well.

Trump appointed NO qualified experts to anything.
If Lincoln, FDR, and Jesus decided to work together as a cooperative triumvirate, they would not be able to get anything worthwhile done with the
totally talentless and morally deficient slugs that Trump appointed and that McConnell confirmed.

Thus, despite America's chronic apathy, more than 80,000,000 Americans forced themselves out of bed to, after four years of witnessing Trump's malfeasance, show the pigfucker the door.
Still, more than 70,000,000 devolved troglodytes are actually upset about it. Knowing the latter, what possible reason can we have to be optimistic about the republic's future?

 

[Into the Night]

Yes, the NY Times story said:

"The report mentioned people sharing a map of tunnels at the Capitol complex and possible meet-up points in Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Massachusetts and South Carolina before traveling to Washington, according to The Washington Post, which first reported on the F.B.I. document.

“Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally or a protest,” the document said, according to The Post. “Go there ready for war. We get our president or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.”

Officials cautioned the information in the Norfolk report was uncorroborated and the portion that quoted “war” appeared to come from a single online thread."

If violence was planned beforehand that means the riot was not incited on the day of the attack; however, others may have been incited to follow the crowd when they saw them attacking.

More fake dossiers?

 

[Into the Night]

I've done no such thing.

Can you substantiate your claim, INT/IBDa/gfm?

Your posts speak for themselves. You have Uncle/Katz/Nordberg/Bill/moon and gawd knows how many others.

 

[Into the Night]

They'll start rounding up assholes over the next several weeks but it will probably be 6-12 months for the full investigation. Maybe longer. The NTSB Kobe Bryant crash report is going to take over a year and that's pretty clearly inadvertent IMC, impact with rising terrain and all deaths resulting from impact injuries. In short the pilot flew it into the ground. Trump's riot is certain to take longer.

Trump doesn't organize riots.
Democrats do.

 

[Into the Night]

No, this wasn't a "political rally" and no one there thought it was...that's why they launched the attack on the Capitol.

That's why they erected gallows before anyone marched to the Capitol.

"Stop the Steal" was what the rally was literally called.

So, "Stop the steal", how? Gallows.

Nevermind the 600lb Gorilla in the room that the election wasn't fucking stolen.

So this insurrection was based on The Big Lie, the people who went there to insurrect went there because of The Big Lie.

So The Big Lie incited them to violence.

And who told The Big Lie? You know the answer.

Lies.

 

[Into the Night]

...by Hillary R. Clinton in her evil bid to retake Washington DC

Nah. Evil Queen Pelosi.

 

[Into the Night]

Disagreed, but I'm still waiting to see numbers of how many people were at Trump's speech and then how many broke into the Capitol.

Yes, I'm aware of all the political bullshit words tossed back and forth. The election was fair and secure.

Irrational. Which is it, dude? You are still locked in paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

 

[Into the Night]

A President's words are important. They have an impact.

It's why every Presidential election loser has conceded graciously, and called for their supporters to unite behind the winner. That is a TOUGH thing to do in most elections. Most are incredibly hard fought, and losing is a very emotional, painful thing. But they do it, because they put country first.

Not only did Trump NOT do that - he took it much further. He said it was rigged, and stolen. This is the equivalent of pouring gasoline on a fire.

Democrats stealing elections is what put gasoline on the fire.

 

[Flash]

Nothing more dramatic than a mob of racists and Nazis attacking the Capitol because they were whipped into a frenzy over lies about the election being stolen.

Very true, but you did not predict that event.

Put pressure on Congress, how? By violently attacking the Capitol after Trump told them to go there.

Why else did they go to DC in the first fucking place?

The same reason for any protests--hoping a show of strength would have favorable political results--the same as BLM, civil rights marches, Anti-Vietnam protests, protests against Trump's election (whether they were peaceful or deteriorated into riots)

Yeah, and he tried, and then did something even I didn't expect, which was launch an insurrection so he could stay in power based on a LIE. He tried, with the help of the GOP, to cancel the entire election! We saw him do it with our own two eyes, Flash.

Agreed, but you thought he was going to cancel the election in advance, not try to get it overturned later; although, it is certainly not surprising. Nobody except the Trump supporters has any doubts the claims about voter fraud, Antifa causing the riots was a big lie.

That's the whole thing, Flash...the BIG LIE.

The BIG LIE is what fed and incited that crowd.

A lie about election fraud is (partly) what motivated the crowd to march, but a lie (or truth) told in advance cannot incite a crowd to commit violence a month later.

You are missing the point that convicting a person for inciting a riot is legally very difficult. You have to prove the crowd would not have rioted without those comments. And now, with evidence of some people planning the riot in advance, that means no speech incited them the day of the riot.

Which he fucking tried to do, Flash! Jesus fucking Christ, do you not understand what the point of this whole "STOP THE STEAL" thing was?? It was to literally cancel the 2020 election so he could stay in power. And he came really fucking close, had those representatives not been taken to secure locations during the fucking riot his election lies caused!

Right, after the election. Your claim was that he was going to cancel the election before it happened. Quit trying to pretend your meant after the election.

QED, the insurrection, Flash!

You are completely changing your original predictions. The insurrection was to try to overturn the electoral vote count. Now that he has run out of options he is not refusing to leave office and will not even attend the inauguration--he will be gone.

You are playing deliberately obtuse because you just don't want to admit what he did and the role YOU PLAYED in it.

I am not denying anything he did. I am saying none of the things he did were the things you predicted unless you use the old "I meant to say.." crap.

What role did I play in it? BS

Well, let's see...

He lied about the election being stolen or fraudulent the day after the election....

He threatened the GA SoS to "find votes", then he threatened him again -ON THE SAME CALL 15 MINUTES LATER- to throw certain votes out (this is all on his call with Raffepserger, which I'm guessing you haven't heard)...

His enablers refused to certify the Electoral Vote from the states he lost...

He launched an insurrection so he could have the line of succession killed in order to stay in power...

He refuses to concede...

So...:shrugs: I'm not being dramatic...Trump literally tried all those things and THANKFULLY, the institutions kinda held. Though they certainly didn't hold on January 6th.

So "stop the steal" is a lie, based on a lie, that incited his people to riot at the Capitol.

Otherwise, why did they do it?

None of which you predicted. Having the "line of succession killed in order to stay in power" is an example of that overly dramatic BS. You have no evidence of that just like Trump has no evidence of voter fraud---more BIG LIES.

 

[Into the Night]

A president's job is to preside--oversee and coordinate the work of people who are experts at what they do.
No one man or woman can have a PHD in every field of endeavor over which the president presides.
That's why qualified experts are required in both appointed cabinet positions and career professional positions as well.

Trump appointed NO qualified experts to anything.
If Lincoln, FDR, and Jesus decided to work together as a cooperative triumvirate, they would not be able to get anything worthwhile done with the
totally talentless and morally deficient slugs that Trump appointed and that McConnell confirmed.

Thus, despite America's chronic apathy, more than 80,000,000 Americans forced themselves out of bed to, after four years of witnessing Trump's malfeasance, show the pigfucker the door.
Still, more than 70,000,000 devolved troglodytes are actually upset about it. Knowing the latter, what possible reason can we have to be optimistic about the republic's future?

Hallucination.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Your posts speak for themselves. You have Uncle/Katz/Nordberg/Bill/moon and gawd knows how many others.

Trump doesn't organize riots.
Democrats do.

Nah. Evil Queen Pelosi.

Irrational. Which is it, dude? You are still locked in paradox. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

Democrats stealing elections is what put gasoline on the fire.

As your manifesto no doubt claims in rigorous detail. Who is guarding it today? You, IBDa or gfm?

When are you going to either admit you lied about me or prove your claims of death threats?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Doesn't matter, everyone there had the same intent...and Flash very helpfully made that clear when he quoted that NYT article where one of the people at the event, or who organized it, said not to think of it as a political rally or protest.

So now you have to wrestle with the tough question of...do I trust the NYT source to inform me about the terrorists, or don't I?

No. No, no. No no no no no....not "tossed back and forth"...only one side was lying and bullshitting about the election.

This isn't a bOtHsIdEs thing.

Disagreed, dear. Now you're sounding like the idiots who claim all BLM and Antifa members are violent criminals.

I have no doubt there was planning, funding and a desire to attack Congress in furtherance of Trump's delusion that he won. There could have been darker forces, much smaller who did have in idea to steal high-security items.

There's evidence some people reconnoitered Congress the day before despite the fact most tours had been canceled for months. "Special friends of special people." Regardless, the investigation will find the facts and corrections will be taken.

 

[dukkha]

True, but when cops actually end up dead, doesn't that change the entire equation? Talk is cheap but when people start dying, somebody needs to be accountable.

If Trump had just said "Have a nice day, thanks for coming" and they attacked Congress, that's one thing but once he pointed them at Congress saying "You have to show strength, and you have to be strong" and "we will stop the steal" then he either did it on purpose or he's a fucking moron. Mostly I think he's a fucking moron with too much money and selfishness for his own good. Now he's going to pay his wrongs in a lot of different courts, both criminal and civil.

Trump ‘Save America Rally’ speech transcript from 6 January
we will stop the steal. Today I will lay out just some of the evidence proving that we won this election, and we won it by a landslide. This was not a close election....

...they want to steal the election. The radical left knows exactly what they’re doing. They’re ruthless and it’s time that somebody did something about it....

...This is the greatest in history. There’s never been a movement like that. You look back there all the way to the Washington Monument. It’s hard to believe. We must stop the steal and then we must ensure that such outrageous election fraud never happens again, can never be allowed to happen again, but we’re going forward.

dead cops or no dead cops does not change the language needed to rise to incitement
Dead cops does leave them open to other charges - but the incitement charge/language stands on its own