Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

[Hume]

The basic rationale is well rehearsed: that physics, having been remarkably successful at toppling superstitions up to now, must naturally go on to conquer every last corner of reality. The problem with this argument—that it means eliminating not just angels and ghosts but also the very things on which scientific knowledge itself depends, such as reason, free will, and abstract thought—appears not to have occurred to the reductive materialists until too late.

Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

Our inability to switch off our commonsense intuitions will lead us to adopt some odd, half-formed ideologies.

hedgehogreview.com

 

[Hume]

If that sounds harsh, take it from Alexander Rosenberg, a materialist philosopher with a penchant for bad news. In an article titled “Disenchanted Naturalism,” he writes:

Most scientists are reluctant to admit science’s answers to the persistent questions are obvious…. Science has to be nihilistic about ethics and morality. There is no room in a world where all the facts are fixed by physical facts for a set of free floating independently existing norms or values.

 

[Cypress]

The basic rationale is well rehearsed: that physics, having been remarkably successful at toppling superstitions up to now, must naturally go on to conquer every last corner of reality. The problem with this argument—that it means eliminating not just angels and ghosts but also the very things on which scientific knowledge itself depends, such as reason, free will, and abstract thought—appears not to have occurred to the reductive materialists until too late.

Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

Our inability to switch off our commonsense intuitions will lead us to adopt some odd, half-formed ideologies.

hedgehogreview.com

Strict reductionist physical materialism failed as a philosophy, and I don't think it's taken seriously by most people.

There is no way a person can really use scientific experiments to measure and appreciate friendship, trust, respect, love, beauty, fairness, equality, responsibility.

People can easily get through life without knowing about quarks, neutron stars, and genetics - as fascinating as they are.

On a day to day basis, science doesn't have a lot to do with a meaningful human life.

 

[Hume]

Strict reductionist physical materialism failed as a philosophy, and I don't think it's taken seriously by most people.

Physicalism is the default philosophy of science. And perhaps a majority of philosophers believe in physicalism.

 

[Yakuda]

The basic rationale is well rehearsed: that physics, having been remarkably successful at toppling superstitions up to now, must naturally go on to conquer every last corner of reality. The problem with this argument—that it means eliminating not just angels and ghosts but also the very things on which scientific knowledge itself depends, such as reason, free will, and abstract thought—appears not to have occurred to the reductive materialists until too late.

Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

Our inability to switch off our commonsense intuitions will lead us to adopt some odd, half-formed ideologies.

hedgehogreview.com

So you're basically saying you've talked yourself back to where you started. You walked a giant circle. You're retard.and hilarious

 

[Daylight63]

Free will may be highly overrated.

 

[Daylight63]

The worst part of this thread is going to be seeing non-science people blather on about what is or isn't science. So dreadful.

The core of science is reliance on ONLY those things which can be objectively agreed upon. This is why physicalism dominates. There is no objective agreement on other peoples' imaginations and fantasies or sincerest wishes.

If science draws a conclusion it will be based on objective data.

Is it POSSIBLE that science "misses" something by ignoring the "magical" reasons proposed by various crackpots? Sure. Absolutely. We do not know what isn't known.

However the super power of Science is in the ERROR TERMS. Those are where the UNEXPLAINED lives. Solid science seeks to REDUCE that error term (it can never be eliminated) and we know something "works" when the error term is dwarfed by what we DO know. This is how science works.

And why science is powerful.

But let's hear what the illiterati of JPP have to say on the subject.

 

[Cypress]

Physicalism is the default philosophy of science. And perhaps a majority of philosophers believe in physicalism.

That's news to me.

The fundamental tenet of physicalism is that everything ultimately boils down to physics, and there is no non-physical reality.

I didn't know that was the dominant view of philosophy.

To me, just the existence of mathematical principles like π, infinity, e, i demonstrates there is a deeper reality that does not depend on physics or material substance.

 

[Hume]

So you're basically saying you've talked yourself back to where you started. You walked a giant circle. You're retard.and hilarious

go kill yourself

 

[ULTRA MAGA]

go kill yourself

You first cock worshipper.

 

[Hume]

The worst part of this thread is going to be seeing non-science people blather on about what is or isn't science.

Thread is not about science.

 

[Hume]

That's news to me.

The fundamental tenet of physicalism is that everything ultimately boils down to physics, and there is no non-physical reality.

I didn't know that was the dominant view of philosophy.

To me, just the existence of mathematical principles like π, infinity, e, i demonstrates there is a deeper reality that does not depend on physics or material substance.

Accept or lean towards:
physicalism
51.93% (51.59%)

Reject or lean against:
physicalism
0.23% (0.00%)

Accept or lean towards:
non-physicalism
32.08% (31.85%)

https://survey2020.philpeople.org/survey/results/4874

 

[Daylight63]

Thread is not about science.

Yes it is.

 

[Hume]

Yes it is.

"When we look back on history, we find in almost every culture some belief or other that commanded near-universal respect—that even acquired a kind of intellectual invulnerability—despite now seeming to us absurd. When future historians look back at our age, I think they will count reductive materialism among such beliefs.

Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

Our inability to switch off our commonsense intuitions will lead us to adopt some odd, half-formed ideologies.

hedgehogreview.com

 

[Daylight63]

"When we look back on history, we find in almost every culture some belief or other that commanded near-universal respect—that even acquired a kind of intellectual invulnerability—despite now seeming to us absurd. When future historians look back at our age, I think they will count reductive materialism among such beliefs.

Are We Really Living in a Materialist Age?

Our inability to switch off our commonsense intuitions will lead us to adopt some odd, half-formed ideologies.

hedgehogreview.com

Physicalism is the default philosophy of science. And perhaps a majority of philosophers believe in physicalism.

 

[Cypress]

Thread is not about science.

Agreed. Physicalism is a philosophical position. Philosophy of science is a field of philosophy.

 

[Hume]

Agreed. Physicalism is a philosophical position. Philosophy of science is a field of philosophy.

Unfortunately many scientists do not think they have a metaphysics.

 

[Cypress]

Unfortunately many scientists do not think they have a metaphysics.

Correct. Scientists typically have no training in philosophy, and are not aware their discipline is pregnant with metaphysics. Einstein was aware of it, but he studied philosophy of science.

 

[Hume]

Correct. Scientists typically have no training in philosophy, and are not aware their discipline is pregnant with metaphysics. Einstein was aware of it, but he studied philosophy of science.

But Einstein was a physicalist.

 

[Yakuda]

go kill yourself

Nope just because my existence pisses you off. LMFAO you're a hilarious idiot.