America, ruled by law or by power?

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SmarterthanYou

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Hillary Clinton is a felon many times over. Assuming the facts are as being reported – or that they are even a tenth of the severity of what has been reported – Hillary Clinton is guilty of multiple serious felonies stemming from her conscious choice to unlawfully hide her correspondence as Secretary of State on a “private” server that was kept in some dude’s bathroom somewhere. I use the term “private” only in the sense that it was non-governmental; every foreign intelligence agency, friend or foe, was reading it. Only we American citizens can’t see what was on it, and that’s because much of it was highly classified material. So she is a felon many times over.

Understand that this is not open to debate. There is no “her side of the story.” There is no excuse nor harmless explanation. To those of us who have worked with classified material in the military or other governmental agencies, the daily revelations of new OPSEC atrocities literally make us nauseous. And I understand what “literally” means. We pros read that someone consciously took classified material off a secure system, walked it out of a secure facility, and somehow (by scanning it then cutting and pasting from the PDF, or even by typing it in manually) put it in an unclassified system and emailed it off in the clear to Hillary and her toilet server, where it was stored in a machine that was hooked up to the world wide web. And we feel our stomachs turn even as we run out of fingers and toes counting the horde of individual security violations that process entails.

There is no dispute. It can’t be disputed. These are felonies. Anyone telling you any different is either utterly ignorant about how classified material is handled, or is irredeemably stupid, or is a liar who puts the political viability of Hillary Clinton above the safety of the United States and the people who defend it. And, as much as the trial lawyer in me professionally appreciates when an advocate misdirects people away from the weak points in his argument, the claim that this material is somehow “overclassified” insults the intelligence of anyone it is directed toward. If the advocate has actually seen the material, he’s broken the law too (as has Clinton for letting yet another uncleared person see it). And even if the classification could have been lower than TOP SECRET/SCI, it wasn’t lower. It was TOP SECRET/SCI or whatever, and some minion of Hillary’s in Foggy Bottom doesn’t get to make that call. Hillary doesn’t get to make that call.

The question is not whether Hillary Clinton is manifestly and indisputably guilty of multiple felonies. She is.

The question is whether we are a nation operating under the rule of law, or one operating under the rule of power. I regret to say that today we are not governed by the rule of law.

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...d-by-law-or-ruled-by-power-n2112522/page/full
 
Just list the crimes she's been convicted of, in a court of law, and I will acknowledge the veracity of your assertion.
 
General David Petraeus violated the classified material laws, and he was convicted of a federal crime. Sadly, the military declined to regain the honor its leadership has squandered excusing senior leaders’ abuses and incompetence and take his fourth star since he failed to serve honorably as a four star general. If you think a sergeant would retain his rank, or a major his commission, after doing what Petraeus did, you are – like any of Hillary’s apologists – ignorant, a fool and/or a liar.

People are in jail right now for doing what Hillary did. But she will never be held accountable any more than the IRS managers who followed Barack Obama’s unspoken guidance to harass and oppress conservative organizations were. Obama’s Department of Justice will never, ever, under any circumstances, indict Hillary Clinton even though anyone else – anyone else who was not an ally of the Administration – would absolutely, undoubtedly, and properly be indicted.

Hillary Clinton is part of the liberal elite. She is too important to the Democrat Party to hold accountable for a mere violation of the law. Laws, after all, are for other people. People who aren’t connected. Who aren’t in the club. Who aren’t important.

Who are like you and me.

There are two different sets of laws in America today, one for us, with which the elite can bend the full force of its power toward crushing us, and another where the rules are different and waiverable, if they even exist at all. The feds were eager to prosecute Obama opponent Dinesh D’Souza for donating his own money to a losing senate candidate, but Hillary gets a pass for imperiling national security. The feds managed to get a troublesome rancher half a decade in jail for “terrorism” after a fire on his own land got out of control, but the EPA bureaucrats who turned a river yellow? They’ll get promoted and retire on fat pensions.
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notably, this is only important to people if they have an R or a D after their name.
 
I also note that these 'laws' weren't applied equally when it concerned ronald reagans gun running, bill clintons ethics, GW Bushs default on a 7 million dollar loan from the city of arlington, tx, and i'm sure there are many other high level political people i'm missing. please, feel free to fill in the blanks.
 
Nah...I knew you'd tuck tail and run at the first sign of someone questioning the veracity of your OP.

You didn't even TRY and answer the question...you just tucked tail and ran.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Just list the crimes she's been convicted of, in a court of law, and I will acknowledge the veracity of your assertion.
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That anyone is defending that POS wretch is astounding. Hillary is a criminal; she used a private, non-governmental server to communicate top secret information - how does anyone justify that? That is a felony under several federal statutes, and the only thing keeping her from being indicted is political pressure.

I may not like te republicans much, bu the democrats are the scum of the earth; they don't give a fuck about the country or what their psychotic policies will do to damage it - they only give a shit about power and remaining in office. The truth of the matter is that if this heinous action had been done by a repub, the media would be howling like wolves over it, which might be an even bigger problem.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Just list the crimes she's been convicted of, in a court of law, and I will acknowledge the veracity of your assertion.
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So far, 11 of them have been charged with Conspiracy to Impede an Officer of the United States.

It remains to be seen what, if any, other charges they may face once they face a grand jury.

It has been stated for some time now that full charges will not be levied until the standoff is over. This makes sense, as the totality of crimes isn't known until the crime itself is over.

Four of these idiots still remain at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge, so the crime is ongoing and the extent of charges cannot be fully known.

Have they been convicted yet? No, but those in custody have been charged with a felony, and more charges may follow.

Now, I'm not a fan of Hillary Clinton, but since you made a direct statement claiming that she is "a felon many times over" but has not been charged with, tried for or convicted of any felony (thus making your statement libelous), perhaps you really should list those felonies to keep yourself out of the libel soup.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
what crimes did the militia in oregon stand convicted of? i'll wait.
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trying to draw a gun on cops LIKE the man said he would do when he annouced that on national TV.


He was known to want to shoot a cop


he reached in his pocket TWICE during the taped part.


guess what was in that pocket?
 
see, the thing is that the very article I posted is so representative of fools like zappa, desh, and jarod. In almost every other situation that didn't involve a high level, high visibility public figure, that person would already have been arrested and charged. But this is hillary, so technicalities are the highlight of the day. must defend the statist authoritarians because 'D'
 
evince said:
watch the video
you are a liar
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you are an insane idiot. without audio, it's IMPOSSIBLE to determine the whens, whys, and hows of why he was shot. but you go on with your absolute hatred of anything not liberal or subservient to government. go get mental help.
 
transwarpdrive said:
That anyone is defending that POS wretch is astounding. Hillary is a criminal; she used a private, non-governmental server to communicate top secret information - how does anyone justify that? That is a felony under several federal statutes, and the only thing keeping her from being indicted is political pressure.
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The same way that one can justify saying O.J. Simpson is not guilty of the murders of Nicole Brown-Simpson and Ronald Goldman.

O.J. went through the legal process. It doesn't matter if I thought he was guilty as hell. He was acquitted. End of story.

Since Hillary Clinton has not been charged, tried and convicted, stating that she is a criminal is disingenuous at best and libel at worst.

Our justice system isn't perfect, but it's what we have.

As to why she hasn't been charged? Possibly because the e-mails in question were not classified at the time but have subsequently been upgraded to classified. In addition, the rules, laws, guidelines and procedures for how classified material are now handled were not in place at the time. It is difficult to break a law when it is not yet in existence.

The difference with David Patreus is that the information he handled was already classified at the time he removed it and provided it to Paula Broadwell.
 
transwarpdrive said:
That anyone is defending that POS wretch is astounding. Hillary is a criminal; she used a private, non-governmental server to communicate top secret information - how does anyone justify that? That is a felony under several federal statutes, and the only thing keeping her from being indicted is political pressure.

I may not like te republicans much, bu the democrats are the scum of the earth; they don't give a fuck about the country or what their psychotic policies will do to damage it - they only give a shit about power and remaining in office. The truth of the matter is that if this heinous action had been done by a repub, the media would be howling like wolves over it, which might be an even bigger problem.
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Again, just list the crimes she's been convicted of in a court of law, and I will agree with the veracity of your claim.

STY made the same claim, but ultimately couldn't produce even a single case where Hillary was found guilty.
 
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