Aleppo

leaningright said:
I agree with a lot up there except the bold...well, that and the dictator part. Look, I'm not smart enough to tell what is the right action to take in Syria. I do hope and pray that they (The powers that be...including other world leaders, Obama now and Trump later) make wise decisions to "quell" the violence. But I am "concerned" even though I'm powerless to do anything. Innocent people, women and children are suffering and dying. So for me, not being concerned isn't an option.
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Asaad isn't a dictator?
 
I would also remind everyone that we created ISIS when we destabilized the entire region. Sure...it's tempting to fix our own mess, but they're in an enemy territory. At least this administration seems to have learned from past attempts to aid in the forced creation of Democracy in the region. We can only drive ISIS out of Iraq, and see to it that they stay out. Other than that, we're trespassing.
 
Althea said:
Asaad isn't a dictator?
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Ok. Sorry about that. I thought you were making a veiled Trump reference. Agreement on that then.

As to your earlier doom and gloom stuff...you know, the stuff about corporate whore, cutting health care, starving people, poisoning air and water, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm not fretting about it yet. ... Yet
 
Althea said:
We slapped sanctions on Putin's Russia because of his expansion of territory. He's on a mission to overtake as much real estate as he can, either with force, or assistance. He needs trading partners who will not participate in sanctions. He/Asaad are now working toward a common goal...quelling an uprising. After that, they can address ISIS with military action. We have no business in the country. Is it a shame? Sure. But right now, it's someone else's job to fix. Any actions we take will be a direct challenge to Putin.

Besides, Trump promised a super secret plan to do away with ISIS.
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I understand what is going on over there. We went beyond " it's someone else's job to fix" with the redline remarks. When any President makes statements like that, they have to be backed up. If we are not going to back them up militarily, then at least a humanitarian effort needs to be made. Words have meanings.
 
leaningright said:
Ok. Sorry about that. I thought you were making a veiled Trump reference. Agreement on that then.

As to your earlier doom and gloom stuff...you know, the stuff about corporate whore, cutting health care, starving people, poisoning air and water, yadda, yadda, yadda. I'm not fretting about it yet. ... Yet
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Yea...it's a little early. Right now, he's still addicted to attention. 90% of his actions are aimed at getting the media to comment. Dragging scores of poor morons into Trump tower, and then showing them the door is all fun and games for him.

Likewise with his idiotic comments about companies that he's got no financial stake in, vs those that he does. He's no doubt bragging about his ability to move the market with 140 characters.

But the party is over in January. He's going to find out that he can't simply dump everything on Pence.
 
Sailor said:
I understand what is going on over there. We went beyond " it's someone else's job to fix" with the redline remarks. When any President makes statements like that, they have to be backed up. If we are not going to back them up militarily, then at least a humanitarian effort needs to be made. Words have meanings.
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Those 'words' referred to Asaad's chemical weapons. Putin got Asaad to hand them over. In retrospect, if he kept those weapons, there would be no Aleppo. ISIS would be a footnote in history.
 
Althea said:
Those 'words' referred to Asaad's chemical weapons. Putin got Asaad to hand them over. In retrospect, if he kept those weapons, there would be no Aleppo. ISIS would be a footnote in history.
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Chemical weapons that he used right? The same weapons the U.S. said if were used, we would take military action to stop it. We did not. We own a good part of this mess. The U.N., the U.S. and the civilized world could at a minimum get the people of Aleppo food, water, get the wounded out as they have bombed the hospitals. Hell, get any civilian out that wants too. Then let bullshit politicians fight it out.

Thank you for the interesting conversation. I hope to continue it tomorrow.
 
cawacko said:
Kind of surprised this hasn't been discussed either from the humanitarian disaster that it is or from a political blame game perspective.
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The democrats on JPP don't wanna because it is an EPIC Obama failure and he is the quintessential affirmative action presidente
 
Sailor said:
Chemical weapons that he used right? The same weapons the U.S. said if were used, we would take military action to stop it. We did not. We own a good part of this mess. The U.N., the U.S. and the civilized world could at a minimum get the people of Aleppo food, water, get the wounded out as they have bombed the hospitals. Hell, get any civilian out that wants too. Then let bullshit politicians fight it out.

Thank you for the interesting conversation. I hope to continue it tomorrow.
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Putin is bombing Aleppo. What happens when our forces get attacked? At the time the UN made the accusation of his use of chemical weapons, I believe it was considered conjecture.

Tough situation for sure, but I don't believe this country has any way to stop Putin's slaughter.
 
we can certainly partake in the coalition that is doing the job in Iraq against ISIS. Russia has to lead any coalition in Syria..

I remember years ago when Dennis Kuchinich went to interview Assad and asaad warned
"I'm not a terrorist - but the terrorists will gladly take over "( paraphrased) ....Qaddafi of Libya said the same thing..

Obama put up the red lines anyways, while Mccain and the Warhorses screamed for interventionism..
There is no longer any role in Syria for the US
 
Sailor said:
I understand what is going on over there. We went beyond " it's someone else's job to fix" with the redline remarks. When any President makes statements like that, they have to be backed up. If we are not going to back them up militarily, then at least a humanitarian effort needs to be made. Words have meanings.
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Words have meanings? Then this country is in deeper shit than ever imagined with Orangetweet.
 
leaningright said:
Aleppo? Is that a new dog food brand? [/sarcasm]

Why it hasn't received coverage and why more people aren't at least concerned from a humanitarian standpoint bothers me immensely.
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The mass slaughters of innocents didn't/don't matter in African nations either.
 
Althea said:
Putin is bombing Aleppo. What happens when our forces get attacked? At the time the UN made the accusation of his use of chemical weapons, I believe it was considered conjecture.

Tough situation for sure, but I don't believe this country has any way to stop Putin's slaughter.
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I would have thought our current President would have thought of that when he brought up the redline. As far as Putin, you should have much less faith in his capabilities. While certainly a force to keep and eye on and in check, he would and has backed off. With the right diplomacy it might not even require force.
 
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