Air Force and the Texas Shooter

cawacko

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Sorry for starting another thread on this but was reading it was the Air Force who failed to flag this guy so that when he went to purchase his guns he had a clean record. I know we have some veterans on this board, anyone know how this usually works? (in terms of the military making sure someone's record shows they cannot purchase a gun?)

And if I read correctly it sounds like his punishment for fracturing his son's skull was the same as punishment for a bar fight. How does that work?
 
Sorry for starting another thread on this but was reading it was the Air Force who failed to flag this guy so that when he went to purchase his guns he had a clean record. I know we have some veterans on this board, anyone know how this usually works? (in terms of the military making sure someone's record shows they cannot purchase a gun?)

And if I read correctly it sounds like his punishment for fracturing his son's skull was the same as punishment for a bar fight. How does that work?

Sounds like he slipped through a few cracks.
 
Sorry for starting another thread on this but was reading it was the Air Force who failed to flag this guy so that when he went to purchase his guns he had a clean record. I know we have some veterans on this board, anyone know how this usually works? (in terms of the military making sure someone's record shows they cannot purchase a gun?)

And if I read correctly it sounds like his punishment for fracturing his son's skull was the same as punishment for a bar fight. How does that work?

They are codes on your discharge papers. Any employer, LEO etc can look them up. The key word here bring "can" look them up.
 
They are codes on your discharge papers. Any employer, LEO etc can look them up. The key word here bring "can" look them up.

I don't have the article in front of me but it said the Air Force didn't flag him so it sure seemed like the Air Force was at fault here. But I've not served and I don't know how this process works.
 
I don't have the article in front of me but it said the Air Force didn't flag him so it sure seemed like the Air Force was at fault here. But I've not served and I don't know how this process works.

All I can say with certainty is those codes, by federal law, should be on your discharge papers and documents. If they did not make it onto his ( which I would find weird as he was dishonorably discharged) someone is in some trouble.
 
Sorry for starting another thread on this but was reading it was the Air Force who failed to flag this guy so that when he went to purchase his guns he had a clean record. I know we have some veterans on this board, anyone know how this usually works? (in terms of the military making sure someone's record shows they cannot purchase a gun?)

And if I read correctly it sounds like his punishment for fracturing his son's skull was the same as punishment for a bar fight. How does that work?


the AF fucked up by not entering his name in the national data base.
 
the shooter had been court-martialed. The military version of a trial court. That conviction should have been entered in to NICS within days, being a felony conviction. The federal government screwed up, but nobody will make them pay...........go figure.
 
the shooter had been court-martialed. The military version of a trial court. That conviction should have been entered in to NICS within days, being a felony conviction. The federal government screwed up, but nobody will make them pay...........go figure.
Yeah, it sucks.
 
the shooter had been court-martialed. The military version of a trial court. That conviction should have been entered in to NICS within days, being a felony conviction. The federal government screwed up, but nobody will make them pay...........go figure.

the irony of all these politicians saying we need more gun laws today and it was the gov't themselves that F'd up.
 
the shooter had been court-martialed. The military version of a trial court. That conviction should have been entered in to NICS within days, being a felony conviction. The federal government screwed up, but nobody will make them pay...........go figure.

Under barack's direction of global evil; it would have been standard operating procedure.
 
Air Force Error Allowed Texas Gunman to Buy Weapons

SUTHERLAND SPRINGS, Tex. — A day after a gunman massacred parishioners in a small Texas church, the Air Force admitted on Monday that it had failed to enter the man’s domestic violence court-martial into a federal database that could have blocked him from buying the rifle he used to kill 26 people.

The conviction of the gunman, Devin P. Kelley, for domestic assault on his wife and infant stepson — he had cracked the child’s skull — should have stopped Mr. Kelley from legally purchasing the military-style rifle and three other guns he bought in the last four years. But that information was never entered by the Air Force into the federal database for background checks on gun purchasers, the service said.

“The Air Force has launched a review of how the service handled the criminal records of former Airman Devin P. Kelley following his 2012 domestic violence conviction,” the Air Force said in a statement. “Federal law prohibited him from buying or possessing firearms after this conviction.”

The statement said that Heather Wilson, the Air Force secretary, and Gen. David Goldfein, the Air Force chief of staff, had ordered the Air Force inspector general to work with the Pentagon’s inspector general to “conduct a complete review of the Kelley case and relevant policies and procedures.”

The Air Force also said that it was looking into whether other convictions had been improperly left unreported. “The service will also conduct a comprehensive review of Air Force databases to ensure records in other cases have been reported correctly,” the statement said.

New details of the killings also emerged on Monday, including a possible motive. Local law enforcement officials said that Mr. Kelley may have been driven by anger toward his estranged wife’s family, the final chapter in a life full of domestic rage. In addition to his court-martial, in which his previous wife was the victim, he had been investigated on a rape complaint, though he was not charged and his relationship to the victim was unclear.

His current wife’s mother attended First Baptist Church, the target of Mr. Kelley’s rage on Sunday. “The suspect’s mother-in-law attended this church,” Freeman Martin, a spokesman for the Texas Department of Public Safety, said during a news conference Monday morning. “We know that he had made threatening texts and we can’t go into detail into that domestic situation that is continuing to be vetted and thoroughly investigated.”

“This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs, it was a domestic situation going on,” Mr. Martin added.

Mr. Kelley’s wife and her parents were not at the church on Sunday, the authorities said, but a relative of his wife’s grandmother posted on Facebook that the grandmother was there and had been killed.

Mr. Kelley, who was dressed in all black and wore a skull-face mask, left the church, engaged in a gunfight with a bystander outside, and then led the bystander and another man in a dramatic car chase that ended with Mr. Kelley dead behind the wheel. He had shot himself, investigators said, though it was not yet clear whether that bullet had caused his death.


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/ai...-buy-weapons/ar-AAuvF6z?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=ientp
 
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is compromised by persons convicted of real damage to any person through hand inflicted assault. If a person will use violence by hand That certain person will likely inflict much harm with a weapon.i think that man would have been executed lawfully under just and natural law immediately proceeding the cracking of his own offspring's skull (common sense control).
 
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the shooter had been court-martialed. The military version of a trial court. That conviction should have been entered in to NICS within days, being a felony conviction. The federal government screwed up, but nobody will make them pay...........go figure.

I thought the Second "shall not be infringed". Did you want to infringe him?
 
I thought the Second "shall not be infringed". Did you want to infringe him?

if that's the direction you want to take this debate in, then no I do not believe he should have been denied the right to own a firearm. of course he obviously had issues and his kids injuries alone should have netted him a much longer sentence. Bottom line, if you commit a crime and can't be trusted with a weapon, you can't be trusted out in public.
 
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED is compromised by persons convicted of real damage to any person through hand inflicted assault. If a person will use violence by hand That certain person will likely inflict much harm with a weapon.i think that man would have been executed lawfully under just and natural law immediately proceeding the cracking of his own offspring's skull (common sense control).

Where are the people constantly yelling about common sense gun legislation when it comes to treating those that would crack a child's skull the way they need to be treated?
 
if that's the direction you want to take this debate in, then no I do not believe he should have been denied the right to own a firearm. of course he obviously had issues and his kids injuries alone should have netted him a much longer sentence. Bottom line, if you commit a crime and can't be trusted with a weapon, you can't be trusted out in public.

INFRINGED!
 
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