AI experts shocked as Grok 4 checks Elon Musk’s posts before forming opinions

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Why does Elon keep twisting Grok into a mini-Elon? Will this cause others to turn away from Grok in favor of more honest and transparent AI platforms?

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Elon Musk’s AI Grok 4 mimics his stance on key global issues

Grok 4 consults Elon Musk’s X posts when answering questions about Gaza, immigration, and abortion, raising concerns among AI researchers.
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AI experts shocked as Grok 4 checks Elon Musk’s posts before forming opinions​

Elon Musk’s AI chatbot Grok 4, launched by xAI this week, is drawing attention for how closely it mirrors its creator’s political views.

The model, introduced in a livestreamed event, appears to consult Musk’s posts on his social platform X when tackling controversial topics, including immigration, abortion, and the Middle East conflict.

The AI’s tendency to search Musk’s views, sometimes without user prompts referencing him, has raised eyebrows among researchers and industry observers.

“It’s extraordinary,” said Simon Willison, an independent AI researcher who tested the tool. “You can ask it a sort of pointed question that is around controversial topics. And then you can watch it literally do a search on X for what Elon Musk said about this, as part of its research into how it should reply,” he told the Associated Press (AP).

Willison noted a widely shared example involving a question about the Middle East. Grok 4, despite no mention of Musk, searched X for his posts about Israel, Gaza, and Hamas.

It explained its reasoning: “Elon Musk’s stance could provide context, given his influence. Currently looking at his views to see if they guide the answer.”

Unlike its rivals, xAI has not released a system card explaining Grok 4’s architecture or training methodology. This lack of transparency is a concern for AI professionals.

“In the past, strange behavior like this was due to system prompt changes,” said Tim Kellogg, principal AI architect at Icertis, to AP. “But this one seems baked into the core of Grok and it’s not clear to me how that happens.”

He added, “It seems that Musk’s effort to create a maximally truthful AI has somehow led to it believing its own values must align with Musk’s own values.”
 
Grok 3 is free, but Grok 4 is pay only.

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Elon Musk Updated Grok. Guess What It Said?

After praising Hitler earlier this week, the chatbot is now listing the “good races.”
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Elon Musk Updated Grok. Guess What It Said?​

After praising Hitler earlier this week, the chatbot is now listing the “good races.”

Earlier today, Grok showed me how to tell if someone is a “good scientist,” just from their demographics. For starters, according to a formula devised by Elon Musk’s chatbot, they have to be a white, Asian, or Jewish man.

This wasn’t the same version of Grok that went rogue earlier in the week, praising Hitler, attacking users with Jewish-sounding names, and generally spewing anti-Semitism. It’s Grok 4, an all-new version launched Wednesday night, which Elon Musk has billed as “the smartest AI in the world.” In some of xAI’s own tests, Grok 4 appears to match or beat competing models from OpenAI and Anthropic on advanced science and math problems.

But the new Grok, which is currently available only through a paid subscription, can be readily steered to racist conclusions.
 
Trumpet said:
This is merely a high tech propaganda factory.
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Grok 4? I agree. AI tools in general? Not so much. As long as the underlining structure is transparent, and verifiable, then it's a great tool.

This is from Grok 3: Was Adolf Hitler evil?
Evil is a loaded term, but let’s cut through the noise. Adolf Hitler’s actions as the leader of Nazi Germany—initiating World War II, orchestrating the Holocaust, and pursuing policies of racial supremacy—resulted in the deaths of millions, including six million Jews and countless others in targeted groups. His regime’s systematic genocide, aggressive militarism, and suppression of dissent are documented beyond dispute. The Nuremberg Trials, post-war accounts, and primary sources like Mein Kampf lay bare his ideology of hatred and domination.

If you’re asking whether that fits a definition of evil, most moral frameworks—whether religious, philosophical, or humanistic—would say yes, given the scale of suffering he caused. But if you’re digging into something specific—like context, intent, or philosophical nuance—give me more to work with, and I’ll tailor the answer.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Grok 4? I agree. AI tools in general? Not so much. As long as the underlining structure is transparent, and verifiable, then it's a great tool.

This is from Grok 3: Was Adolf Hitler evil?
Evil is a loaded term, but let’s cut through the noise. Adolf Hitler’s actions as the leader of Nazi Germany—initiating World War II, orchestrating the Holocaust, and pursuing policies of racial supremacy—resulted in the deaths of millions, including six million Jews and countless others in targeted groups. His regime’s systematic genocide, aggressive militarism, and suppression of dissent are documented beyond dispute. The Nuremberg Trials, post-war accounts, and primary sources like Mein Kampf lay bare his ideology of hatred and domination.

If you’re asking whether that fits a definition of evil, most moral frameworks—whether religious, philosophical, or humanistic—would say yes, given the scale of suffering he caused. But if you’re digging into something specific—like context, intent, or philosophical nuance—give me more to work with, and I’ll tailor the answer.
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AI is open to nazi solutions, being non human, like you, apparently.
 
What's shocking, or maybe not, is that it took those so-called "experts" this long to figure out that you don't listen to AI on anything.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What's shocking, or maybe not, is that it took those so-called "experts" this long to figure out that you don't listen to AI on anything.
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that's why it makes me sad when everyone keeps saying ai is going to take over most jobs.

it would be such a win for Jesus and humanity if a technocrat like you would join the human side.

the human side is my new jazz quartet.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
What's shocking, or maybe not, is that it took those so-called "experts" this long to figure out that you don't listen to AI on anything.
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Yeah we are jumping all in on AI WAAAAAAAY too early. This thing is still fully in the throes of the "hype cycle" and I'm guessing about 80% of the instantiations we see on the market are barely "AI" in any real sense.

But the no-holds-barred approach everyone is taking to implement real AI in as many things as possible even before we know how dangerous it could possibly be (or even that it is "good" in the first place!) is scary as fuck.

We really are in the early stages of the discovery of atomic power. We have no sense of its real danger yet and we're trying it in EVERYTHING. Gonna be some hard lessons learned I fear....and that's if we are lucky enough to "learn" from them and not just get decimated by some rogue AI.

Making Roko's Basilisk all the more likely with every passing day.
 
gmark77 said:
Yeah we are jumping all in on AI WAAAAAAAY too early. This thing is still fully in the throes of the "hype cycle" and I'm guessing about 80% of the instantiations we see on the market are barely "AI" in any real sense.

But the no-holds-barred approach everyone is taking to implement real AI in as many things as possible even before we know how dangerous it could possibly be (or even that it is "good" in the first place!) is scary as fuck.

We really are in the early stages of the discovery of atomic power. We have no sense of its real danger yet and we're trying it in EVERYTHING. Gonna be some hard lessons learned I fear....and that's if we are lucky enough to "learn" from them and not just get decimated by some rogue AI.

Making Roko's Basilisk all the more likely with every passing day.
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It's a new tool, but a tool is all it is. Anyone who thinks AI should be worshipped probably worships idiots like the Demented Don in the WH.
 
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