Afghanistan & Vietnam Are As Different As Night & Day

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Journalists still use the Vietnam War template that brought defeat to their own country. To this day television journalists are most proud of betraying their own country in Southeast Asia.

A free press is supposed to keep the public informed so that Americans can protect themselves from the incremental evils inherent in big government. During the 1960 presidential campaigns both print and electronic media abandoned their reason for their existence. Both conspired to defeat Richard Nixon —— then ignored the theft after JFK stole the election. A few years later “America’s most trusted man.” anchorman Walter Cronkite, went foreign when he declared the war in Vietnam was lost when it was not. Instead of hauling Uncle Walter into a criminal court the entire industry made him a saint.
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Television mouths are still lying about Vietnam. Only today the mouths are marrying Vietnam to Afghanistan.

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Basically, Vietnam was the right war in the right place at the right time in order to stop the spread of Communism in SE Asia. Afghanistan is the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time because it is a United Nations war.

The United Nations did not support the Vietnam War; hence, television reports —— manipulated by Walter Cronkite and CBS —— made defeat inevitable. Anti-war demonstrations were reported with never a mention of what demonstration organizers stood for, or who was funding them; i.e. the Kremlin when Putin was in the KGB.

NOTE: It not too farfetched to point out that Hillary Clinton’s Steele Dossier was a continuation of Russia’s Vietnam War policy. In short: The dirty old Commie, Bernie Sanders, was not Putin’s choice in 2016.

If you are looking for the seeds of a conspiracy, Hillary Clinton was Putin’s one and only choice in the 2016 primaries and the subsequent election.

This is the reason the war in Afghanistan drags on:

NOTE: Afghanistan is a United Nations war fought to install a democracy. In 18 years the U.S. military spent more time building schools and roads in order to promote the U.N.’s democracy garbage then they spent killing Muslim terrorists. I doubt very much if President Trump can pull out of Afghanistan because a complete withdrawal will be a defeat for the United Nations and for the Democracy Movement.
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Finally, there are a lot more military staff officers today whose first loyalty is to the United Nation than there were during the Vietnam War. Think about that whenever you hear television mouths tell you about the war in Afghanistan.

 

[Flash]

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VIDEO ▼

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6114491284001?playlist_id=5528578293001#sp=show-clips

Journalists still use the Vietnam War template that brought defeat to their own country. To this day television journalists are most proud of betraying their own country in Southeast Asia.

A free press is supposed to keep the public informed so that Americans can protect themselves from the incremental evils inherent in big government. During the 1960 presidential campaigns both print and electronic media abandoned their reason for their existence. Both conspired to defeat Richard Nixon —— then ignored the theft after JFK stole the election. A few years later “America’s most trusted man.” anchorman Walter Cronkite, went foreign when he declared the war in Vietnam was lost when it was not. Instead of hauling Uncle Walter into a criminal court the entire industry made him a saint.
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...itical-Triple-Dead-Heat&p=3168720#post3168720

Television mouths are still lying about Vietnam. Only today the mouths are marrying Vietnam to Afghanistan.

Move the cursor to 30:15:

Basically, Vietnam was the right war in the right place at the right time in order to stop the spread of Communism in SE Asia. Afghanistan is the wrong war in the wrong place at the wrong time because it is a United Nations war.

The United Nations did not support the Vietnam War; hence, television reports —— manipulated by Walter Cronkite and CBS —— made defeat inevitable. Anti-war demonstrations were reported with never a mention of what demonstration organizers stood for, or who was funding them; i.e. the Kremlin when Putin was in the KGB.

NOTE: It not too farfetched to point out that Hillary Clinton’s Steele Dossier was a continuation of Russia’s Vietnam War policy. In short: The dirty old Commie, Bernie Sanders, was not Putin’s choice in 2016.

If you are looking for the seeds of a conspiracy, Hillary Clinton was Putin’s one and only choice in the 2016 primaries and the subsequent election.

This is the reason the war in Afghanistan drags on:

NOTE: Afghanistan is a United Nations war fought to install a democracy. In 18 years the U.S. military spent more time building schools and roads in order to promote the U.N.’s democracy garbage then they spent killing Muslim terrorists. I doubt very much if President Trump can pull out of Afghanistan because a complete withdrawal will be a defeat for the United Nations and for the Democracy Movement.
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https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...-What-He-Said-Was-Wrong&p=3231533#post3231533

Finally, there are a lot more military staff officers today whose first loyalty is to the United Nation than there were during the Vietnam War. Think about that whenever you hear television mouths tell you about the war in Afghanistan.

And the communists won. How has that been bad for the U. S.?

 

[Flanders]

And the communists won. How has that been bad for the U. S.?

To Flash: First you tell me how that was good for the U.S.

 

[Flanders]

To Flash: First you tell me how that was good for the U.S.

To Flash: Two articles for you to read before you respond:

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Identifying Obama for What He Really Is: ‘Communism 101’
By Judi McLeod
December 11, 2019

https://canadafreepress.com/article/identifying-obama-for-what-he-really-is-communism-101

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Stalin and Ribbentrop shaking hands after the signing of the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact on August 23, 1939 (ADN-ZB/Archiv via Wikipedia)
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Some 80 years ago, on Aug. 23, 1939, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, formally known as the "Treaty of non-aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics."

The world was shocked -- and terrified -- by the agreement. Western democracies of the 1930s had counted on the huge resources of Communist Russia, and its hostility to the Nazis, to serve as a brake on Adolf Hitler's Western ambitions. Great Britain and the other Western European democracies had assumed that the Nazis would never invade them as long as a hostile Soviet Union threatened the German rear.

The incompatibility between communism and Nazism was considered by all to be existential -- and permanent. That mutual hatred explained why dictators Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin both despised and feared each other.

Yet all at once, such illusions vanished with the signing of the pact. Just seven days later, on Sept. 1, 1939, Germany invaded Poland. World War II had begun.

After quickly absorbing most of Eastern Europe by either coercion or alliance, Hitler was convinced that he now had a safe rear. So he turned west in spring 1940 to overrun Denmark, Norway, Belgium, Luxembourg, France and the Netherlands.

Hitler accomplished all that relatively easily, failing only to conquer Great Britain with an exhaustive bombing campaigning.

During all these Nazi conquests, a compliant Stalin shipped huge supplies of food and fuel for the German war effort against the West. Stalin cynically had hoped that Germany and the Western democracies would wear themselves out in a wasting war -- similar to the four horrific years in the trenches of the Western Front during World War I.

Communism then easily would spread to the Atlantic amid the ruins of European capitalism. Unlike Czarist Russia in 1914, this time around the Soviets wanted to stay out of a German war. Instead, Stalin rearmed during the non-aggression pact with Hitler.

Stalin, of course, had no idea he had created a Nazi monster that would quickly devour all of Continental Europe -- and turn to its rear to eye a now-isolated Soviet Union. Much less did Stalin realize that the battle-hardened German war machine would soon overrun his country in a surprise attack beginning on June 22, 1941, a little less than two years after the signing of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact.

The non-aggression pact in a way had also ensured that a European war would soon turn into a global massacre that left roughly 65 million dead. At the time of deal, imperial Japan was fighting the Soviet Union on the Manchurian-Mongolian border. The Japanese were de facto allies of Nazi Germany. They had assumed that Stalin's fear of an aggressive Germany meant the Soviet Union would have to worry about a two-front war against both Germany and Japan.

But now, the surprise agreement stunned the Japanese, who saw it as a German betrayal. It left them alone against the superior forces of Russia's eastern armies.

Japan quickly withdrew from its losing Russian war. In time it signed its own non-aggression pact with the Soviet Union, in April 1941 -- ironically, just months before Hitler's planned Operation Barbarossa, the massive invasion of Russia.

Japan correctly concluded by the betrayal that Hitler's Germany could not be trusted and deserved tit-for-tat duplicity. So Japan never joined Hitler's surprise invasion of Russia. Instead, the Japanese turned their attention to the Pacific and especially the vulnerable British and American bases at Singapore, Burma the Philippines -- and Pearl Harbor.

In sum, the August 1939 non-aggression pact ensured the German attack against Great Britain and Western Europe. It also convinced Hitler that Russia was vulnerable, gullible and appeasing, and could be overrun in weeks following an invasion.

Finally, the deal ended all Japanese ideas of fighting the Soviet Union on the ground from the East in partnership with Nazi Germany invading from the West. Instead, Japan turned toward the vulnerable British and American eastern forces.

In sophisticated times, we sometimes forget that time-honored concepts like the balance of power and military deterrence -- not good intentions and international peace organizations -- alone keep the peace. When the pact destroyed fragile alliances and encouraged German adventurism, war was certain.

The final ironies? The Soviet double-cross of the Western democracies eventually ended up almost destroying Russia, which bore the brunt of an empowered Germany.

The redirection of Japanese war strategy to target America finally brought the United States into World War II, which ensured the destruction of Japan and Germany.

Add this all up, and in some sense World War II really started on Aug. 23, 1939, 80 years ago this summer.


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A Bad Deal, 80 Years Ago
By Victor Davis Hanson
August 15, 2019

https://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/a-bad-deal-80-years-ago/
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[Flash]

To Flash: First you tell me how that was good for the U.S.

I didn't say it was good for the U. S., but it did not cause us any harm. Today, we are friendly with Vietnam and good trading partners (check out your clothes labels). We could have accomplished the same thing by avoiding 58,000 Americans and 2-3 million Vietnamese lives.