Advanced Politics; Should Gov Have Power To Do Things We Dont Know About?

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Edward Snowden's recent "whistle blowing" stirred up lots of attention. But the advanced political minds in America knew the "Patriot Act" didn't make you a Patriot for supporting it....we knew what it was written for long ago..........The people who didn't care what it meant, as long as it empowered their party attacked everyone who wasn't a "Patriot"

So here is a short and basic question;


Should the Government be transparent about what they do? Or more, should we give them all the information we have on our daily lives, because we are innocent?
 
I'm along the lines that the basic defense and intelligence programs should be common knowledge while the information and missions themselves should be classified. We should know that F-16s are flying around while not knowing their mission and flight plan details. If the government is going to tap Verizon towers, we shouldn't know which callers they are looking at. That kind of stuff.
 
Kane said:
If the government isn't doing anything wrong why should it hide?
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If you're doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide from the giant surveillance apparatus the government's been hiding.*

*shamelessly stolen from Colbert.
 
Anti-Party said:
Edward Snowden's recent "whistle blowing" stirred up lots of attention. But the advanced political minds in America knew the "Patriot Act" didn't make you a Patriot for supporting it....we knew what it was written for long ago..........The people who didn't care what it meant, as long as it empowered their party attacked everyone who wasn't a "Patriot"

So here is a short and basic question;


Should the Government be transparent about what they do? Or more, should we give them all the information we have on our daily lives, because we are innocent?
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the government has done many things that we do not know about and should not know about (ever hear about security clearances).

now spying on all citizens is a different question.

the real problem is how much freedom do we want to give up to prevent terrorism?

if we give up our personal freedom to prevent terrorism, then the terrorist win anyway

impaired drivers kill more people than terrorists have ever killed in this nation

as for checking terrorists, there has to be a better way than national surveillance on all citizens
 
Question: Where and when did this government acquire these superpowers that allows it to do ANY FUCKING THING IT WANTS?

From whence doth such power come from?

9/11 .. which was very, very good for the MIC and the corporate shadow government.
 
gee you would think they might just LET OBL hit us.

why did Bush tell his top terrror expert toshut up about OBL and never talk to him about it again?
 
Now everyone is all up in arms about this new spying thingy.


we have done it for nearly a decade.

what is the big revelation?
 
that is merely a black square to my veiw what is with that.

I cant seem to post you tubes or see them now
 
evince said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_P._O'Neill


remember this guy?


he tried to get our country to stop the progress of terror too.


He died on 911
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I know all about him and many others like him surrounding the events of 9/11.

All that we see before us now on the world stage was detailed before 9/11 by the Project for a New American Century .. including the desire for a "New Pearl Harbor." It's about the closest you will ever come to seeing the faces of the real shadow government that owns this country.

Be forewarned, truth comes with a price. Without a doubt, there are people on this site right now lining up to call you bad names simply because you question.
 
evince said:
that is merely a black square to my veiw what is with that.

I cant seem to post you tubes or see them now
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Dick Cheney: Osama Bin Laden Not Involved in 9/11

'We've never made the case or argued the case that somehow Osama Bin Laden was directly involved in 9/11. That evidence has never been forthcoming.'

Bin Laden was never charged with 9/11 by the FBI or anyone else.

So what was this about?

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If neither Bush nor Cheney nor the FBI ever claimed that Bin Laden was responsible .. then who told the American people that it was him?

I'll let you open the next door.
 
even if everything is disclosed, for the average voter, the government is still doing things they don't know.....shucks, the government is doing things the government doesn't know.......


today on the news, Congress was questioning the new director of the FBI......a month ago he was given the job of investigating the IRS.....he was asked who he had appointed to head that investigation.....he didn't know.......
 
Jarod said:
Clearly the govt must do some things the public does not know about.
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While I agree - there do need to be checks and balances. Whether it's the courts or the senators/congressional representatives on the security council or whatever - there HAS to be someone watching the watchers.

Does it need to be the general public? no. Our govt does need some secrets. But someone has to be paying attention...
 
Anti-Party said:
Edward Snowden's recent "whistle blowing" stirred up lots of attention. But the advanced political minds in America knew the "Patriot Act" didn't make you a Patriot for supporting it....we knew what it was written for long ago..........The people who didn't care what it meant, as long as it empowered their party attacked everyone who wasn't a "Patriot"

So here is a short and basic question;


Should the Government be transparent about what they do? Or more, should we give them all the information we have on our daily lives, because we are innocent?
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Just asking for more transparency isn't addressing the conditions that allow a problem.

If we want to seriously take steps to increase the transparency of government, we need to increase the involvement in government - that means more power in the hands of local government and councils, less in the hands of the federal government, and the introduction of the public forum as a cultural center.
 
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