5 Myths about immigration

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The article was too long to post in full so I c&p'd some of the main points under each number.

By Doris Meissner
Sunday, May 2, 2010

1. Immigrants take jobs from American workers.

Although immigrants account for 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, they make up about 15 percent of the workforce. They are overrepresented among workers largely because the rest of our population is aging: Immigrants and their children have accounted for 58 percent of U.S. population growth since 1980...
...immigrants tend to be concentrated in high- and low-skilled occupations that complement -- rather than compete with -- jobs held by native workers....

2. Immigration is at an all-time high, and most new immigrants came illegally.

The historic high came more than a century ago, in 1890, when immigrants made up 14.8 percent of our population. Today, about two-thirds of immigrants are here legally, either as naturalized citizens or as lawful permanent residents, more commonly known as "green card" holders. And of the approximately 10.8 million immigrants who are in the country illegally, about 40 percent arrived legally but overstayed their visas...

3. Today's immigrants are not integrating into American life like past waves did.

The integration of immigrants remains a hallmark of America's vitality as a society and a source of admiration abroad, as it has been throughout our history. Although some people complain that today's immigrants are not integrating into U.S. society as quickly as previous newcomers did, the same charge was leveled at virtually every past wave of immigrants, including the large numbers of Germans, Irish and Italians who arrived in the 19th and early 20th centuries....

4. Cracking down on illegal border crossings will make us safer.

...Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have dramatically strengthened our borders through the use of biometrics at ports of entry, secure cargo-shipment systems, intelligence gathering, integrated databases and increased international cooperation. The Border Patrol has nearly doubled in size in the past five years, to more than 20,000 agents...

...The seasoned enforcement officials I have spoken with all contend that if we provided enough visas to meet the economy's demand for workers, border agents would be freed to focus on protecting the nation from truly dangerous individuals and activities, such as drug-trafficking, smuggling and cartel violence...

5. Immigration reform cannot happen in an election year.

The politics of immigration can be explosive and can chase lawmakers away, especially as elections near, with the result that Congress infrequently and reluctantly updates immigration laws. However, all the significant immigration bills enacted in recent decades were passed in election years, often at the last minute and after fractious debates...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001106.html
 
As for number five immigration reform, at least recently, hasn't been able to get passed in non-election years let alone election years.
 
The article was too long to post in full so I c&p'd some of the main points under each number.

By Doris Meissner
Sunday, May 2, 2010

1. Immigrants take jobs from American workers.

Although immigrants account for 12.5 percent of the U.S. population, they make up about 15 percent of the workforce. They are overrepresented among workers largely because the rest of our population is aging: Immigrants and their children have accounted for 58 percent of U.S. population growth since 1980...
...immigrants tend to be concentrated in high- and low-skilled occupations that complement -- rather than compete with -- jobs held by native workers....

The US workforce is about 154,000,000....15% of that is 23,000,000 workers...I'd say that is substantial amount....
That said, the problem is not about LEGAL immigrants, its about ILLEGAL immigrants...


2. Immigration is at an all-time high, and most new immigrants came illegally.


That is not true and gets a "so what"....

The historic high came more than a century ago, in 1890, when immigrants made up 14.8 percent of our population. Today, about two-thirds of immigrants are here legally, either as naturalized citizens or as lawful permanent residents, more commonly known as "green card" holders. And of the approximately 10.8 million immigrants who are in the country illegally, about 40 percent arrived legally but overstayed their visas...

3. Today's immigrants are not integrating into American life like past waves did.

Most probably are to some degree... and its obvious that the mexican, especially the Illegal mexican, immigrants are not.....if they were, we wouldn't be "pressing 1 to Spanish, or hiring Spanish teachers for our schools, or giving drivers license test in foreign languages, printing ballots in other than English, etc....and we are doing those things....


The integration of immigrants remains a hallmark of America's vitality as a society and a source of admiration abroad, as it has been throughout our history. Although some people complain that today's immigrants are not integrating into U.S. society as quickly as previous newcomers did, the same charge was leveled at virtually every past wave of immigrants, including the large numbers of Germans, Irish and Italians who arrived in the 19th and early 20th centuries....

4. Cracking down on illegal border crossings will make us safer.

Securing the borders WILL make the country safer...that is common sense and undeniable...

...Since Sept. 11, 2001, we have dramatically strengthened our borders through the use of biometrics at ports of entry, secure cargo-shipment systems, intelligence gathering, integrated databases and increased international cooperation. The Border Patrol has nearly doubled in size in the past five years, to more than 20,000 agents...

...The seasoned enforcement officials I have spoken with all contend that if we provided enough visas to meet the economy's demand for workers, border agents would be freed to focus on protecting the nation from truly dangerous individuals and activities, such as drug-trafficking, smuggling and cartel violence...

5. Immigration reform cannot happen in an election year.

reform CAN happen at any time, but probably won't given the liberal numbers in Washington DC...


The politics of immigration can be explosive and can chase lawmakers away, especially as elections near, with the result that Congress infrequently and reluctantly updates immigration laws. However, all the significant immigration bills enacted in recent decades were passed in election years, often at the last minute and after fractious debates...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/04/30/AR2010043001106.html
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Bravo, just my opinion but I don't think its liberal numbers holding up immigration reform. My guess is they would gladly pass reform in a heartbeat if they could give all those here now illegally amnesty. It's getting Republicans and Democrats to agree what kind of reform is best which is the holdup.
 
...The seasoned enforcement officials I have spoken with all contend that if we provided enough visas to meet the economy's demand for workers, border agents would be freed to focus on protecting the nation from truly dangerous individuals and activities, such as drug-trafficking, smuggling and cartel violence...

this!......and, it can be done without any issues of "amnesty".......if an employer wishes to hire "X" they should be able to request a work visa for "X"......it would irrelevant if "X" had been working for them for the last ten years illegally.....no talk of having to prosecute or not prosecute them for being here illegally, no talk of fast tracking for citizenship......simply solving the work visa problem....
 
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we don't have an immigration problem, we have a hiring problem. Stop hiring illegals and they will go home. Put anyone who hires an illegal in jail and put the fear of losing a business or serious jail time right up front and the problem will go away.
 
we don't have an immigration problem, we have a hiring problem. Stop hiring illegals and they will go home. Put anyone who hires an illegal in jail and put the fear of losing a business or serious jail time right up front and the problem will go away.

Think that over some guy....Maybe being in prison in California is better than starving in Mexico.....
And doing a little mugging, burglary, drug running, etc. in the US is an easier life and safer than living across the Rio....
They should be deported and the border secured....and forced to GET IN LINE and enter legally like thousands of others....
 
we don't have an immigration problem, we have a hiring problem. Stop hiring illegals and they will go home. Put anyone who hires an illegal in jail and put the fear of losing a business or serious jail time right up front and the problem will go away.

Do you agree with the Arizona law that makes it a crime for employers to hire illegals? What about the argument that such a law will lead to discrimination against legal Hispanics? (not saying I agree with the last question but I've seen it posed)
 
I wonder how many of you nativists would be in America if the current crop of immigration restrictions being mooted had been in place when your ancestors fled their homeland....
 
Wonder away......its quite irrelevant.....



It's very relevant, Blabo.

Could your ancestors have entered the USA legally under the restrictions you want imposed?

Yes, or no?
 
Do you agree with the Arizona law that makes it a crime for employers to hire illegals? What about the argument that such a law will lead to discrimination against legal Hispanics? (not saying I agree with the last question but I've seen it posed)

I absolutely agree that its a crime for employers to hire illegals. But it doesn't happen. Every time Joe Arpaio gets bad publicity for his many crimes he busts a business and is on the news with illegals being loaded into a bus, but the business is open the next day. I've seen it in my own neighborhood. As far as discrimination, illegals have human rights but not the right to work illegally. If caught they should be deported and the employer should spend at least 6 months in jail, but that doesn't happen.
 
I absolutely agree that its a crime for employers to hire illegals. But it doesn't happen. Every time Joe Arpaio gets bad publicity for his many crimes he busts a business and is on the news with illegals being loaded into a bus, but the business is open the next day. I've seen it in my own neighborhood. As far as discrimination, illegals have human rights but not the right to work illegally. If caught they should be deported and the employer should spend at least 6 months in jail, but that doesn't happen.

You live in AZ right? I'm not all that familiar with the AZ law just saw the Supreme Court upheld the right to go after businesses in the state. What effect that has obviously remains to be seen.
 
The restrictions I WANT IMPOSED ?
WTF are you babbling about ?

The laws on the books are the laws on the books ..... I don't want any particular laws changed .... the present law being enforced will work just fine for me....

and my ancestors did come to this country LEGALLY....and have worked, defended, and died for it.....we've earned our right to want to preserve what we've built for our next generations....
 
The restrictions I WANT IMPOSED ?
WTF are you babbling about ?

The laws on the books are the laws on the books ..... I don't want any particular laws changed .... the present law being enforced will work just fine for me....

and my ancestors did come to this country LEGALLY....and have worked, defended, and died for it.....we've earned our right to want to preserve what we've built for our next generations....

LOL... stupid troll.
 
No, not you. I meant whoever that troll is. I'm laughing at the stupid comments he is making to you.
Then PLEASE accept my apologies.......that "troll" pissed me off sometimes with his stupidity.....

Again, I am sorry for jumping the gun......
 
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