45% of kids with single moms live in poverty

cawacko said:
In general yes I think it is better for a child to grow up in a home with a mother and father. I think the data bears out why that is advantageous. But I said nothing about any policy measures I would push to achieve that or that policy should push to achieve that. I didn't say anything political. I posted the article because reading those numbers jumped out at me and I thought it would be an interesting topic of discussion.
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But there is also data that suggests that the outcome of children in gay homes is no different.
 
Sun Devil said:
But there is also data that suggests that the outcome of children in gay homes is no different.
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Ok but I'm not talking about gay households. I'm talking about children growing up without fathers. It has been a serious issue and it remains one to this day.
 
cawacko said:
Ok but I'm not talking about gay households. I'm talking about children growing up without fathers. It has been a serious issue and it remains one to this day.
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Oh I agree it is an issue that needs to be addressed which is why I asked the question on what the age range is because I cannot fathom some 30-year old guy not being involved (unless he is a jailed criminal) as opposed to an 18-25 year old.
 
cawacko said:
Ok but I'm not talking about gay households. I'm talking about children growing up without fathers. It has been a serious issue and it remains one to this day.
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In other words, I don't want to include or address anything that might contradict or problematize my right wing talking points or right wing ideological position, because I am not being political here!
 
Dantès said:
I know but they still aren't achieving parity with men, even female attorneys don't make the same salaries as male attorneys! That could change but it will take at least another decade!
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Another decade, you give men a lot more credit than I do
 
christiefan915 said:
Lol.

I think all those years of bar tending and noticing how men act has made you cynical.
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Realist, and way over achiever with woman!
No man knows what to say. But when you see 1,000 times what not to say.
Beings friends first and listening turns out to work like a charm.
 
Which comes first the chicken or the egg...?

Looks like some stricter alimony and child support laws need to be enacted.
 
cawacko said:
It may be old news but it's still clearly relevant today. I'd love to see any data you may have that show kids do better without a father in their life.
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Did I suggest that? I said that your article did not touch on the subject.

I don't believe you will find any appreciable difference based on the gender of the parents. The number, sure.
 
Sun Devil said:
What is the education of the single mothers?

What is the age range?

What is the socioeconomic status of those who are reported?
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Exactly, all indications are that single parents are less educated. Age is very likely a factor as most single parents are young and their beginning socioeconomic status may play a role as well. What is the cause and what is the effect? You can't establish any based on these stats and there may be other factors. For instance, if a person has emotional problems and does not deal well with others it is likely to affect their ability to maintain a marriage, to earn an income or to achieve educational success.

Then there is the fact that the employers may simply be biased to traditional families and pay more to those with dependents.

This is clearly a case where correlation is being confused with causation without any proof. To me the numbers don't say anything surprising, interesting or very useful.

If we are truly concerned we should try to help single parents get an education if they don't have one. But even that might not really be the cause and they will need to make some effort on their own.

If they can find a stable relationship then it probably will benefit them but a bad relationship won't. So make it easier to join or leave whatever sort of relationship they choose.

But there will always be some people that are not doing as well as others.
 
Dantès said:
Most of this has been widely publicized. Women make less money than men, and men are terrible at paying child support especially if they divorced their first wife and married a trophy. Most trophy's get very agitated when they realize that their income if they work is also factored in to the amount the husband can now afford for child support. They then don't want the husband to have to pay child support. State's are typically lax in collecting and enforcing child support. So between the lower pay of women generally no matter what they do, and the unwillingness of many husbands to pay for the support of the children they fathered after they get divorced, the children of divorced parents who live with their single mothers, are more likely to live in poverty.

It's not rocket science.

Unfortunately, women who come out of messy relationships generally are not prone to jumping back into another relationship so they generally don't get re-married right away. In addition, there are numerous statistics that show that women with daughters have a much harder time finding a second husband, than women who have sons. Go figure! So the best news is that people are having fewer children and there are fewer divorces leaving single parents with children. But the problem is still wide-spread! And until women attain workplace wage parity with men they are going to have less money than men. And until the State's all start a more ruthless enforcement of child support, more women with children are going to continue to live in poverty. And the problems associated with poverty and single parenting will persist.
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No mention of any attempt to prevent divorce in the first place, I'll lay even money that you don't have any children like your heroine Snarla.
 
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