2nd Amendment outside the home

No. 10-1207
Title: Charles F. Williams, Jr., Petitioner
v.
Maryland

Docketed: April 5, 2011
Lower Ct: Court of Appeals of Maryland
Case Nos.: (16, September Term, 2010)
Decision Date: January 5, 2011

~~Date~~ ~~~~~~~Proceedings and Orders~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Apr 05 2011 Petition for a writ of certiorari filed. (Response due May 5, 2011)
Apr 20 2011 Waiver of right of respondent Maryland to respond filed.
May 03 2011 DISTRIBUTED for Conference of May 19, 2011.


Looks like SCOTUS is fast tracking this and we could get a decision next term. For those not familiar with this case, Williams applied for and received a permit to purchase a handgun. He picked up the gun and transported it to his girlfriends home, then 2 weeks later he transported said loaded handgun in his backpack headed for his own home. he was stopped and searched, then arrested for carrying without a permit. The state of MD has stated in no uncertain terms (MD v. Woollard) that applying for a permit was a futile effort, given that common citizens cannot meet the apprehended harm requirements of obtaining the permit. Luckily, the williams case is a pure 2nd Amendment case of being able to carry outside the home, especially with the way that the question was phrased to the court.....

Whether peaceably carrying or transporting a
registered handgun outside the home, without a carry
permit that is unobtainable by ordinary, law-abiding
citizens, is outside of the scope of “the right of the
people to . . . bear arms” protected by the Second
Amendment to the United States Constitution.


Williams was found guilty because the MD courts, and nearly a dozen other state courts, have for all intent and purposes stuck a stick in the eye of the McDonald courts decision by issuing this statement in the williams decision below.....

This is not the case, because Heller and McDonald emphasize that the Second Amendment is applicable to statutory prohibitions against home possession, the dicta in McDonald that “the Second Amendment protects a personal right to keep and bear arms for lawful purposes, most notably for self defense within the home,” notwithstanding. __ U.S. at __ , 130 S. Ct. at 3044, 177 L. Ed. 2d at 922. Although Williams attempts to find succor in this dicta, it is clear that prohibition of firearms in the home was the gravamen of the certiorari questions in both Heller and McDonald and their answers. If the Supreme Court, in this dicta, meant its holding to extend beyond home possession, it will need to say so more plainly.

There is also a good case in NY challenging the license requirement for possession, so we could, by next year, have at the least unlicensed open carry nationwide.
 
Sorry but when faced with the real implications of the ruling, the present center-right court couldn't possibly rule favorably.
 
1) what real implications?
2) please explain the intellectual dishonesty and hoop jumping that would be required to separate keep from bear.

First, to be clear, I am on your side here.
The implication would be national open carry, and the authoritarians are not going to allow that, despite lip service to the contrary. They talk a good game, but they are liars every one.
 
First, to be clear, I am on your side here.
very glad to hear that, good sir.
The implication would be national open carry, and the authoritarians are not going to allow that, despite lip service to the contrary. They talk a good game, but they are liars every one.
yes, they are liars, every one. my question still stands though, although now from a different perspective, what hoop jumping intellectual dishonesty do you see being used to separate keep and bear?
 
very glad to hear that, good sir.
yes, they are liars, every one. my question still stands though, although now from a different perspective, what hoop jumping intellectual dishonesty do you see being used to separate keep and bear?

I wish I could help. I am still trying to understand how a corporation can have the same rights as a person.
 
I wish I could help. I am still trying to understand how a corporation can have the same rights as a person.

In the United States, corporations were recognized as having rights to contract, and to have those contracts honored the same as contracts entered into by natural persons, in Dartmouth College v. Woodward, decided in 1819. In the 1886 case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad, 118 U.S. 394, the Supreme Court recognized that corporations were recognized as persons for purposes of the Fourteenth Amendment. Some critics of corporate personhood, however, most notably author Thom Hartmann in his book "Unequal Protection: The Rise of Corporate Dominance and the Theft of Human Rights," claim that this was an intentional misinterpretation of the case inserted into the Court record by reporter J.C. Bancroft Davis. Bancroft Davis had previously served as president of Newburgh and New York Railway Co.
 
yeah, what dune said. how can the ussc limit a 2nd Amendment ruling to a single state only.
The same way they did with Heller. The court does have the option of limits the scope of it's immediate decision. It obviously cannot limit precedent however, so even if the ruling is specific to Maryland, the cascading effect of lawsuits against other places that aren't CC friendly would likely lead to a de facto implementation of CC nationwide anyways.
 
“…Any federal firearm legislation is Unconstitutional….”


http://constitutionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/federal-firearm-laws-are-unconstitutional-along-with-the-atf-and-others/



“…unfettered gun ownership is the security of a free state...”



http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/07/22/dorothy.htm



“…For a long time, I have urged the repeal of all gun laws…”



http://www.infowars.com/how-the-repeal-of-all-gun-laws-will-free-america/



“…As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government…”


http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/10-amendment-nullification-movement2.html#gun
 
¯¯¯̿̿¯̿̿’̿̿̿̿̿̿̿’̿̿’̿̿;811262 said:
“…Any federal firearm legislation is Unconstitutional….”


http://constitutionwatch.wordpress.com/2011/04/13/federal-firearm-laws-are-unconstitutional-along-with-the-atf-and-others/



“…unfettered gun ownership is the security of a free state...”



http://www.thepriceofliberty.org/04/07/22/dorothy.htm



“…For a long time, I have urged the repeal of all gun laws…”



http://www.infowars.com/how-the-repeal-of-all-gun-laws-will-free-america/



“…As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government…”


http://www.lewrockwell.com/rep2/10-amendment-nullification-movement2.html#gun

what about limits on felons and the insane
 
The same way they did with Heller. The court does have the option of limits the scope of it's immediate decision. It obviously cannot limit precedent however, so even if the ruling is specific to Maryland, the cascading effect of lawsuits against other places that aren't CC friendly would likely lead to a de facto implementation of CC nationwide anyways.

heller is/was uniquely different because it is NOT a state, but a federal territory. I don't see how that applies. I would be more inclined to look at mcdonald than heller.
 
As codified in law with the 2nd Amendment, the People did not delegate the power to regulate or control the ownership of firearms to the federal government

this is absolutely correct. congress used the commerce clause to apply a transfer tax to all automatics because AT THAT TIME they knew they could not get around the 2nd Amendment. It took 50 years of the american populace getting used to restricted ownership of full auto's before they felt comfortable prohibiting possession of new full autos.

there is that slippery slope argument for ya.
 
Yeah, my bad. McDonald only specifically affected Chicago law, though after precedent is set, it's merely a matter of time.

while mcdonald certainly did deal with a chicago case, didn't alitos opinion hold that the 2nd applied against the states? not that this overruled all state laws. each one will have to be challenged for sure. thus the maryland case is bound to go against the state.
 
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