20 years after welfare reform

[Mott the Hoople]

Here's an interesting article on welfare reform in todays Times by John Kasich in which he makes a good argument for more flexibility in the system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/o...welfare-is-still-broken.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

 

[canceled.2021.3]

best reform would be to get the federal government out of the racket altogether

if a state wants to have cradle to grave welfare, let them do it

but some people (like you) think nothing can happen unless the federal government does it and makes you believe they are getting the rich to pay for it.

Don't forget we don't want to build our own roads, so therefore we should pay for everyones food, housing, etc.

 

[Phantasmal]

Here's an interesting article on welfare reform in todays Times by John Kasich in which he makes a good argument for more flexibility in the system.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/22/o...welfare-is-still-broken.html?ref=opinion&_r=0

Republicans are idiots, that was a good article, I think he would have been a far better candidate than Trump.

 

[Airstrip One]

Most people would have been a better candidate.

 

[Bill]

Yep, John would give us all something important to talk about, rather than the latest trumpf, media flumpf...

trumpfs naked wife, patting the daughter's *****, dissing this one that one etc etc etc.

I guess the consolation for not having a real candidate is having the next best thing, a male Palinish democrat destroying the gop one stupid remark or stunt @ a time. Death by a thousand cuts.........

 

[Airstrip One]

I guess it makes sense that when you run a wreality tv star, you get stories about whether he wants to bang his hot daughter or not. In that area, the cosmos will simply not be denied.

 

[canceled.2021.1]

Yep, John would give us all something important to talk about, rather than the latest trumpf, media flumpf...

trumpfs naked wife, patting the daughter's *****, dissing this one that one etc etc etc.

I guess the consolation for not having a real candidate is having the next best thing, a male Palinish democrat destroying the gop one stupid remark or stunt @ a time. Death by a thousand cuts.........

I can really sense the heartbreak in liberals posts that someone like John Kasich wasn't nominated. You know because they really wanted a "good" republican to give Crooked Hillary a run. They wouldn't have attacked Kasich at all. Nope, not a chance. I mean look how respectful the liberals treated Romney and McShamnesty after they spent months saying "they are republicans I can vote for". As soon as Romney secured the nomination the left started with the "magic underwear" bullshit.

 

[cawacko]

Republicans are idiots, that was a good article, I think he would have been a far better candidate than Trump.

Liberals would have hated him. Look at Romney, the exact type of Republican Democrats supposedly tolerate and he got ripped apart. Kasich is religious and strongly pro-life. We all know that is a non-starter to the left.

 

[Phantasmal]

Liberals would have hated him. Look at Romney, the exact type of Republican Democrats supposedly tolerate and he got ripped apart. Kasich is religious and strongly pro-life. We all know that is a non-starter to the left.

He would have been more respected than Trump. Liberals would not have been his target, it would have been moderates and independents.

 

[Bill]

Liberals would have hated him. Look at Romney, the exact type of Republican Democrats supposedly tolerate and he got ripped apart. Kasich is religious and strongly pro-life. We all know that is a non-starter to the left.

He made a few errors as well......... One was running against a popular president...

IMHO he was in a very difficult spot having to run towards the wacky fringe in the primaries & then pull back to his tradional space in the center in the general....... Lets just say that wasn't seamless..........

 

[Mott the Hoople]

best reform would be to get the federal government out of the racket altogether

if a state wants to have cradle to grave welfare, let them do it

but some people (like you) think nothing can happen unless the federal government does it and makes you believe they are getting the rich to pay for it.

Don't forget we don't want to build our own roads, so therefore we should pay for everyones food, housing, etc.

Hey Derp, Derp...you didn't even read the article did you?

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Republicans are idiots, that was a good article, I think he would have been a far better candidate than Trump.

Oh well hell yea but the base doesn't want a grown up in the room who can actually govern. They want an immature white nationalist anti-intellectual who's going to prove just how bad government can be. That's why they nominated a neophyte like Trump instead of someone with an actual track record of governing.

Having said that, I think Kasich has a point. That greater flexibility would permit States to focus more on the at risk people and give them the guidance and training they need to find meaningful employment and not just make work. Let me repeat that...not just make work...that is a very real and important distinction Kasich is making.

 

[evince]

I can really sense the heartbreak in liberals posts that someone like John Kasich wasn't nominated. You know because they really wanted a "good" republican to give Crooked Hillary a run. They wouldn't have attacked Kasich at all. Nope, not a chance. I mean look how respectful the liberals treated Romney and McShamnesty after they spent months saying "they are republicans I can vote for". As soon as Romney secured the nomination the left started with the "magic underwear" bullshit.

because then they joined in the same fucking lies you spew to try and get them elected

 

[cancel2 2022]

Oh well hell yea but the base doesn't want a grown up in the room who can actually govern. They want an immature white nationalist anti-intellectual who's going to prove just how bad government can be. That's why they nominated a neophyte like Trump instead of someone with an actual track record of governing.

Having said that, I think Kasich has a point. That greater flexibility would permit States to focus more on the at risk people and give them the guidance and training they need to find meaningful employment and not just make work. Let me repeat that...not just make work...that is a very real and important distinction Kasich is making.

Trump is only there because there are so many people that are fed up to the back teeth with political correctness, he is your equivalent of Nigel Farage. Of course our Nigel is well read, erudite and highly intelligent unlike the Donald. I suggest that you decide the winner in the election by holding a referendum asking the question "who is the most creative liar?" I have a feeling that Her Royal Clinton would win hands down. Anyway in the end, isn't it more important that the new president surrounds themselves with a good team and not a bunch of yes men/women.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Liberals would have hated him. Look at Romney, the exact type of Republican Democrats supposedly tolerate and he got ripped apart. Kasich is religious and strongly pro-life. We all know that is a non-starter to the left.

Then explain why so many Democrats crossed the aisle to support him in Ohio?

Yes I'm sure the far left progressive crying Bernie Bros would have hated Kasich...but a hell of a lot more centrist Democrats would. The reason Romney got ripped apart is that he proved to be what he was...a plutocrat way out of touch of the reality of those of us who have to work for a living. It wasn't because he was a far right wing ideologue or inept or a party hack or a complete asshole.

In fact the polling data showed quite clearly that Kasich was the only major GOP candidate who polled competitively in the electoral college against Clinton. The sad thing is that Kasich isn't a moderate. That's how far to the right the base of the GOP has gone. That a politician with Kasich's conservative credentials would be classified as a RINO.

The fact that the GOP base selected Trump, who clearly is losing, to a candidate like Kasich who clearly would have been competitive speaks volumes about the current state of the GOP.

But I didn't post this article to hash spilt milk over the primaries.

I think Kasich has some good ideas here about welfare reform.

 

[evince]

Trump is only there because there are so many people that are fed up to the back teeth with political correctness, he is your equivalent of Nigel Farage. Of course our Nigel is well read, erudite and highly intelligent unlike the Donald. I suggest that you decide the winner in the election by holding a referendum asking the question "who is the most creative liar?" I have a feeling that Her Royal Clinton would win hands down. Anyway in the end, isn't it more important that the new president surrounds themselves with a good team and not a bunch of yes men/women.

they are full of fucking right wing radio lies you asshole

 

[Mott the Hoople]

He would have been more respected than Trump. Liberals would not have been his target, it would have been moderates and independents.

That's the problem for any party when it goes off the ideological deep end. Most people are not ideological in nature but are pragmatic and centrist. Some things they are liberal on, some things conservatives and some things they don't hold strong positions on and are open minded.

But gerrymandering has corrupted our system so badly that at most levels the real elections are in the primaries where a motivated base nominates the ideologues over the pragmatist.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

He made a few errors as well......... One was running against a popular president...

IMHO he was in a very difficult spot having to run towards the wacky fringe in the primaries & then pull back to his tradional space in the center in the general....... Lets just say that wasn't seamless..........

Agreed and his 47% comment cost him dearly. To be fair to Romney had he won I'm sure he would have governed competently, as a pragmatist and with a sense of noblese oblige. However the better man won. It was a good election with two quality candidates. A stark difference from our current candidates.

 

[evince]

No one who supports the failed idiot republican ideas can get elected

 

[Darth Omar]

I can really sense the heartbreak in liberals posts that someone like John Kasich wasn't nominated. You know because they really wanted a "good" republican to give Crooked Hillary a run. They wouldn't have attacked Kasich at all. Nope, not a chance. I mean look how respectful the liberals treated Romney and McShamnesty after they spent months saying "they are republicans I can vote for". As soon as Romney secured the nomination the left started with the "magic underwear" bullshit.

Kasich would be a racist within two weeks after being nominated lol.