20 and 30 somethings SSI problem

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Abreast of the situations
so this age group who will wind up putting the most into ssi will get bent over in the end unless something changes...


What You Should Expect From Social Security
by Kimberly Palmer
Wednesday, October 20, 2010USNews.com

You've probably heard the news: Social Security recipients aren't getting a bump up in their benefits next year. The Social Security Administration recently announced that because inflation has been flat, there will be no cost of living adjustment for seniors.

Whether or not you think that's a good thing depends a lot on your age. Seniors are upset, but younger workers have reason to celebrate the news: Fiscally conservative choices now could mean a stronger system later.

There are plenty of reasons for 20 and 30-somethings to worry about the future of their Social Security payments. The Social Security trust fund will start taking in less than it pays out around 2016, and by 2037, as today's 30-somethings start thinking about retiring, it's scheduled to run out. At that point, if nothing changes, the benefits will shrink to about three-quarters of what they are now because only money that is then being paid into the system will be paid out.

Workers have clearly gotten the message that they're largely on their own: Just-released numbers from Charles Schwab reveal that almost half of the general population say they do not plan on counting on Social Security as a source of income in retirement.

The uncertainty over future benefits has led to a debate over whether the current budget and entitlement structure is fair to young people, who may never see all of the money that they pay into the system. (Social Security benefits are based on a person's average earnings over his lifetime and depend on the age of retirement; the current maximum benefit received is $2,346 per month for those who retire at age sixty-six.)

"They should be upset, and concerned that Social Security is structured in a way to give them less than they might otherwise receive. They'll certainly get less than their parents and grandparents, and they're stuck in a position where they are either going to pay higher taxes or get lower benefits, or, what's worse, both," says David John, senior fellow at the Heritage Foundation.

As Andrew Biggs of the American Enterprise Institute puts it, "There's no way Social Security is as good a deal for a 20-year-old as it is for a retiree today."

The AARP, which represents retired Americans, has a different perspective. It is quick to point out that there is such great political support for Social Security that it is not in danger of slipping away. The organization released a statement opposing the cost-of-living freeze after the Social Security Administration made its announcement late last week.

While the AARP is right to point out that Social Security isn't going anywhere, it's possible that it will undergo major changes in the coming decades. Here are some of the possible shifts:

Higher taxes, especially for high-earners. Social Security is funded through payroll taxes, which are currently capped at $106,800. That means workers don't pay Social Security taxes on income above that amount. Congress could raise that limit.

A higher retirement age. Changing the retirement age to 68 from 65, instead of the 67 it's currently scheduled to reach, could mean a reduction in benefits for younger workers since they'd have to wait longer to collect their payments. If premiums or Medicare-related taxes are increased or benefits are reduced, that would also have a major negative impact on young workers' retirement finances.

A new government-backed investment plan. Some academics, including Alicia Munnell, director of Boston College's Center for Retirement Research, have proposed an altogether different method of risk management — one where the government bears the brunt of the risk. She imagines a new kind of guaranteed account, where the government would guarantee that beneficiaries receive a certain rate of return on their investments.

If the market plunged before they retired, then Uncle Sam would make up the difference. If a relatively modest guaranteed rate of return were chosen, such as 6 percent, then she says the government would rarely have to step in, so the cost would be minimal. Another option is to guarantee just a 2 or 3 percent return but to allow investors to keep any higher return provided by the market. If the government found itself needing to pony up during bad periods like the current one, then, Munnell says, "it can take on more debt and spread the losses over several generations," instead of forcing the soon-to-be retirees to absorb most of the pain.

Regardless of what changes, one thing is certain: Young workers need to save more on their own, because government programs are unlikely to comfortably fund a relaxing couple decades by the beach.

This article is adapted with permission from Kimberly Palmer's new book "Generation Earn: The Young Professional's Guide to Spending, Investing, and Giving Back" (Ten Speed Press).

http://finance.yahoo.com/focus-reti...ire&cat=fidelity_2010_getting_ready_to_retire
 
When I read stuff like this, I always have to ask "who opposes privatization, and why?"

Privatization is a buzzword that is used to scare senior voters who already get benefits; but any plan would inevitably be phased, so it would not affect what they get.

As for "younger voters" (using that term loosely - most under 50 apply), most don't think they'll get it anyway. If they do, the mathematical reality is that they'll get even less than what current seniors are getting, and that as time goes on, checks will be much more out of line w/ cost-of-living increases.
 
Everyone with sense.

I can't think of anything more irrational than supporting a system that is unsustainable, and will see significant decreases with each passing decade until it is no longer supportable at all.

I'm all ears for some "sense" on that.
 
I can't think of anything more irrational than supporting a system that is unsustainable, and will see significant decreases with each passing decade until it is no longer supportable at all.

I'm all ears for some "sense" on that.
Any more of this ridiculous talk and you lose your membership to the Pelosi fan club and your pinhead lapel pin. :)
 
what do you mean we dont think we are going to get it anyways? I get a ssi statement in the mail every year that shows my projected benefits when i retire. I pay 7+% of my salary since working. Of course I think im going to get it.
 
Any more of this ridiculous talk and you lose your membership to the Pelosi fan club and your pinhead lapel pin. :)

Please don't chime in like that ever again.

I support privatization because it's a sensible, win-win move.

You only support it because Republicans do, and Democrats oppose it.
 
Please don't chime in like that ever again.

I support privatization because it's a sensible, win-win move.

You only support it because Republicans do, and Democrats oppose it.

Personal I think they should make it a cornerstone issue for the next election. If the under 40 age group realized clearly that they were going to get porked like this they would be in full support of some sort of privatization.. Tho I must say i was thoroughly apposed to Bush's scam privatization plan.
 
Bottom line is if I average 6K a year into SSI for 40years I better get something in return. No way in hell I would ever "assume" that im not getting anything. Id take to the streets like in France.
 
what do you mean we dont think we are going to get it anyways? I get a ssi statement in the mail every year that shows my projected benefits when i retire. I pay 7+% of my salary since working. Of course I think im going to get it.

The poll I saw recently was conducted w/ voters under 40; most in that group don't think it will be around when they retire. It wasn't a huge majority - somewhere in the 50's.

And I wouldn't call that an illogical position for many. SS is not sustainable. Try telling seniors now that their benefits will be cut by 25%; that will happen in 2037, and that's probably after many years of keeping benefits level, and raising the age requirement....
 
The poll I saw recently was conducted w/ voters under 40; most in that group don't think it will be around when they retire. It wasn't a huge majority - somewhere in the 50's.

And I wouldn't call that an illogical position for many. SS is not sustainable. Try telling seniors now that their benefits will be cut by 25%; that will happen in 2037, and that's probably after many years of keeping benefits level, and raising the age requirement....

yah well see what happens when the selfish boomers voting block is dead and the senior voting block (under 40's today) like having there benefits that were promised to them there whole lives taken away.
 
Please don't chime in like that ever again.

I support privatization because it's a sensible, win-win move.

You only support it because Republicans do, and Democrats oppose it.

hahhaha
Translation:

When we agree on something it's because I'm smart and you are just repeating your partisan meme.


Wow, that's delusional.
 
The changes I would propose:

1) First for seniors: The income limit before SS bene's are taxed has been the same since about 1980. Take that number and adjust it for inflation. Then make sure it, along with the bene is adjusted for inflation every year. This will protect those whose SS bene's are the predominant source of income during retirement.

2) taxation: hate saying this, but with the national debt level, we have to. Keep the current cutoff for paying SS. After $250k in income institute a 5% kick to SS.

3) Privatize: cut out the ignorant fear mongering. This does not mean EVERY dollar is going into the stock market, it doesn't mean wall street will 'manage' the money, it doesn't mean seniors lose their benefits. Bottom line, we have to get off of the rob peter to pay paul ponzi scheme that we currently have.
 
hahhaha
Translation:

When we agree on something it's because I'm smart and you are just repeating your partisan meme.


Wow, that's delusional.

You think that's delusional?

Haven't been following bravo's posting, have you?

How embarassing....
 
The changes I would propose:

1) First for seniors: The income limit before SS bene's are taxed has been the same since about 1980. Take that number and adjust it for inflation. Then make sure it, along with the bene is adjusted for inflation every year. This will protect those whose SS bene's are the predominant source of income during retirement.

2) taxation: hate saying this, but with the national debt level, we have to. Keep the current cutoff for paying SS. After $250k in income institute a 5% kick to SS.

3) Privatize: cut out the ignorant fear mongering. This does not mean EVERY dollar is going into the stock market, it doesn't mean wall street will 'manage' the money, it doesn't mean seniors lose their benefits. Bottom line, we have to get off of the rob peter to pay paul ponzi scheme that we currently have.

Raise taxes! Wow.
 
I also think they should raise them but not on middle class 7% to 100k is to much as it is. Either do the donut hole or add a pension type tax onto corp earnings or something.

I would oppose any taxation at the corporate level. Corporations are pieces of paper. They are owned by individuals. Some of those individuals earn a lot, some do not.

I would stay with the donut hole approach. Given the AGI above $250k, you could probably reduce the taxation on the income below the 100.

Say 4-5% below the 100k and 6% above the $250k (or $300 etc..)
 
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