Page 7 of 16 FirstFirst ... 34567891011 ... LastLast
Results 91 to 105 of 233

Thread: Are Newsmax, OANN, and Fox Media threats to American Democracy?

  1. #91 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    A question to the OP and thread in general:

    In the last, say, three years how many retractions, apologies, and other excuses have the various media outlets had to make for stories they ran that turned out to be false, misleading, wrong, or malicious? Which outlet has the most? Which has the fewest?

    Wouldn't that give us some indication of which media outlet(s) are the biggest threat to democracy by the fact they lie, obfuscate, or otherwise push propaganda rather than factual news?
    I've never seen Newsmax or OANN apologize, just Fox. Most of their stories are a few facts laced with a shitload of opinion. The fact most of their audience can't tell the difference between fact and opinion is 1) the fault of each viewer and 2) allows these "media sources" the latitude to keep pushing their bullshit.

    This link is a pretty good indicator: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

    Examples: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-a...-news-network/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-beast/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-kos/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn-bias/


    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  2. #92 | Top
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    38,676
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 19,307 Times in 13,426 Posts
    Groans
    3
    Groaned 843 Times in 802 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I've never seen Newsmax or OANN apologize, just Fox. Most of their stories are a few facts laced with a shitload of opinion. The fact most of their audience can't tell the difference between fact and opinion is 1) the fault of each viewer and 2) allows these "media sources" the latitude to keep pushing their bullshit.

    This link is a pretty good indicator: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/

    Examples: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/one-a...-news-network/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-beast/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/newsmax/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/daily-kos/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/cnn-bias/


    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fox-news-bias/
    Actually mediabias is not that good. That aside, CNN, MSNBC, etc., all run far more op ed than actual news. But isn't just facts that matter but rather which facts are chosen to be presented. CNN, MSNBC, etc., have a really bad habit of being very one-sided with their stories and use of facts. By omitting or not running a particular story they can skew the news just as easily as by the way they present a story. Omission is as much bias as running a story.

    But let's look at how Mediabias rates the ones you've chosen.

    FOX: Strongly Right biased and mixed factually, borderline questionable. Medium credibility
    Daily Beast: Left biased and mixed factually based on failed fact checks. Medium credibility
    Newsmax: Extremely Right biased and a questionable source. Promotes conspiracy theories. Low credibility
    The Daily Kos: Strongly Left biased and mixed factually. Medium credibility
    CNN: Left biased and mixed factually Medium credibility.

    That's how they rate those media outlets.

  3. #93 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually mediabias is not that good.
    What do you use?
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  4. #94 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    72,457
    Thanks
    6,696
    Thanked 12,326 Times in 9,834 Posts
    Groans
    14
    Groaned 511 Times in 484 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    What do you use?
    use truth, lie-bag.
    morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.



    Trump Wins,
    by definition
    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump

  5. #95 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by AssHatZombie View Post
    use truth, lie-bag.
    The same “truth” you use when you pull out false accusations form your ass, all without a shred of evidence? That “truth”?

    You come across as an angry teenager. If you’re older, then that’s really, really sad…..and bad for you.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  6. #96 | Top
    Join Date
    Dec 2006
    Posts
    72,457
    Thanks
    6,696
    Thanked 12,326 Times in 9,834 Posts
    Groans
    14
    Groaned 511 Times in 484 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    The same “truth” you use when you pull out false accusations form your ass, all without a shred of evidence? That “truth”?

    You come across as an angry teenager. If you’re older, then that’s really, really sad…..and bad for you.
    ok, lie-bag.
    morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships.



    Trump Wins,
    by definition
    https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/trump

  7. #97 | Top
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    38,676
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 19,307 Times in 13,426 Posts
    Groans
    3
    Groaned 843 Times in 802 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    What do you use?
    I generally don't use "factchecking" sites like Mediabias at all. It just contributes to ending up in a genetic fallacy.

  8. #98 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    I generally don't use "factchecking" sites like Mediabias at all. It just contributes to ending up in a genetic fallacy.
    So don't believe anything? Interesting.

    One of my favorite theories is that people are greedy. What they choose as a profession expresses how greedy they are compared to others.

    Many JPPers have questioned the veracity of polls, such as Pew or Gallop, and online resources such as Mediabias. It's good to question things just as it's also good to realize the predictability of online businesses seeking to make a profit.

    All three of the named companies rely upon veracity to make them money. If they are throwing out bullshit like Alex Jones, then they just join the herd of bullshit slingers. A more profitable niche is to be the go-to company for factual data. It's for this reason that I trust all three...to an extent.

    I'll accept their data unless there's a reason to question it. Sometimes it's more important that the reader be able to understand exactly what data is being presented.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  9. #99 | Top
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    38,676
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 19,307 Times in 13,426 Posts
    Groans
    3
    Groaned 843 Times in 802 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    So don't believe anything? Interesting.

    One of my favorite theories is that people are greedy. What they choose as a profession expresses how greedy they are compared to others.

    Many JPPers have questioned the veracity of polls, such as Pew or Gallop, and online resources such as Mediabias. It's good to question things just as it's also good to realize the predictability of online businesses seeking to make a profit.

    All three of the named companies rely upon veracity to make them money. If they are throwing out bullshit like Alex Jones, then they just join the herd of bullshit slingers. A more profitable niche is to be the go-to company for factual data. It's for this reason that I trust all three...to an extent.

    I'll accept their data unless there's a reason to question it. Sometimes it's more important that the reader be able to understand exactly what data is being presented.
    Maybe you should read up on the factcheckers some:

    https://theparadoxproject.org/2016/1...fact-and-bias/
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/11/04...checkers-14378
    https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media...t-or-dishonest

    That's just for starters. The factcheckers are biased, and not just a little biased but badly biased.

  10. #100 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Maybe you should read up on the factcheckers some:

    https://theparadoxproject.org/2016/1...fact-and-bias/
    https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/11/04...checkers-14378
    https://www.justfactsdaily.com/media...t-or-dishonest

    That's just for starters. The factcheckers are biased, and not just a little biased but badly biased.
    I have, but thanks for the advice. Be sure you remain skeptical too since your factcheckers are human too.

    BTW, which one said Media Bias or Politifact was "badly biased"? I couldn't find it in either one.

    The bottom line here is for the individual to use critical thinking to determine what is most likely fact and what is most likely bullshit. Media Bias is a good reference, but I still give it leeway. When it says a source is centered, left or right, I give it a little range for bias. Obviously Fox news isn't really LW and CNN isn't RW. How far Right or Left is can be seen for oneself by watching them.

    Or do you rigorously beleive your own sources as coming down for God or Trump himself?
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  11. #101 | Top
    Join Date
    Jun 2020
    Location
    Phoenix
    Posts
    38,676
    Thanks
    14
    Thanked 19,307 Times in 13,426 Posts
    Groans
    3
    Groaned 843 Times in 802 Posts

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    I have, but thanks for the advice. Be sure you remain skeptical too since your factcheckers are human too.

    BTW, which one said Media Bias or Politifact was "badly biased"? I couldn't find it in either one.

    The bottom line here is for the individual to use critical thinking to determine what is most likely fact and what is most likely bullshit. Media Bias is a good reference, but I still give it leeway. When it says a source is centered, left or right, I give it a little range for bias. Obviously Fox news isn't really LW and CNN isn't RW. How far Right or Left is can be seen for oneself by watching them.

    Or do you rigorously beleive your own sources as coming down for God or Trump himself?
    When it comes to the Mediabias site, I generally move everything marked Left of Center down and left one block, that seems about right while I move everything Right of Center up and left one block. Now, that's not by any means perfect, bit it does appear to fit quite well most of the time.

  12. #102 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2020
    Location
    Texas
    Posts
    137,996
    Thanks
    47,333
    Thanked 69,480 Times in 52,484 Posts
    Groans
    4
    Groaned 2,514 Times in 2,471 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    When it comes to the Mediabias site, I generally move everything marked Left of Center down and left one block, that seems about right while I move everything Right of Center up and left one block. Now, that's not by any means perfect, bit it does appear to fit quite well most of the time.
    A judgement call.

    Skepticism is good. I like to look at various polls for a general sense while recognizing it's only a snapshot and everything changes. That's one reason why I like Real Clear Politics. They sum up other polls data.

    Example: https://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...able-5493.html

    So who watches them? Every company/poll they list. Businesses, the free market, is self-correcting within the rules**. Some groups are really stupid, but that's rare. Internet businesses are no different.


    **Mlyan, maker of EpiPen fucked themselves: https://www.forbes.com/sites/arlenew...h=3d5d2c01393c
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

    "Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"

  13. #103 | Top
    Join Date
    Mar 2011
    Location
    Delray Beach FL
    Posts
    115,590
    Thanks
    125,219
    Thanked 27,477 Times in 22,782 Posts
    Groans
    3,768
    Groaned 3,245 Times in 2,985 Posts
    Blog Entries
    3

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Most of the information presented by Fox OAN and Newsmax pretends to be news but is opinion. Opinion that appeals to a segment of society that already agrees. Opinionated presentation targets divisive issues rather than reporting or analysis. It is an internal political correctness that sees news or politics through an agreed upon lenses that is often anti-democratic, anti-science, and even anti-intelligence. These media sources pretend to be conservative they are not. They conserve nothing, they posture, dismiss, and divide.

    It is an irony that Fox has become worse in an attempt to keep OAN and Newsmax at bay. Viewers are money. Modern American so called Conservative media now vies for the ridiculous if it feeds a bias, a hate, or criticizes. Add to this the death of local media along with the repeal of the Fairness Doctrine, Citizen's United, and the goose is cooked. Dark Money now rules.

    Add online media sources that appear in searches and news feeds. Many of these are dark money supported sites pretending to be news when they are agitprop. Political power and corporate power do not like democracy. Democracy too often muddies the water, a citizen sees the world differently than a government bureaucrat or a profit seeking corporate officer. How does that corporation control democracy, it controls the information media presents and it targets information based on the social profiles of its viewers, often white and rural. Dog whistles dominate.

    Democratic government is the favorite bogeyman of autocratic government. Lesser players in this game of deception include Breitbart, Townhall, and a host of sites that can be found in Internet searches - questionable sources are covered in links below. Online trolls have also proliferated in online social media. Some even gravitate to conspiracy sites or ideas of secession. This divisiveness takes many forms such as private schools, religious separation, and isolated rural community settings. Public education is too democratic, too open. How for instance could a pandemic become something other than a pandemic. Gaslighting from Fox ET AL have created a world of doubt. America leads the world in Covid-19 deaths, misinformation has consequences.

    So how do we understand the topic question when media is opinion, distortion, dog whistles, targeted, oppositional, using loaded words, words meant as pejorative or audience specific? Content without thought, words like 'cancel' 'woke' 'leftist' 'liberal' 'socialist' 'border' 'trans' 'guns' etcetera. What do they really mean outside the club? Their appeal is to tribe, to emotion, not content or analysis. Misinformation and distortion weaken a nation's political conversation. Ask always who benefits, what is its purpose, and is the information news or opinion. Seek sources that explain without always pointing fingers.

    Daniel Pipes wrote. "First, democracy is more than holding elections; it requires the development of civil society, meaning such complex and counter intuitive institutions as the rule of law, an independent judiciary, multiple political parties, minority rights, voluntary associations, freedom of expression, movement, and assembly. Democracy is a learned habit, not an instinctive one, that requires deep attitudinal changes such as a culture of restraint, a commonality of values, a respect for differences of view, the concept of loyal opposition, and a sense of civic responsibility."

    'The Five Biggest Threats Our Democracy Faces'

    https://www.brennancenter.org/our-wo...emocracy-faces

    And the SCOTUS threat:

    https://www.theguardian.com/books/20...mp-republicans

    Information Sources to check:

    https://iffy.news/
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/fake-news/
    http://politics.flackcheck.org/patterns-of-deception/

    One online news site I recommend: https://www.theguardian.com/us


    "Let us wage a moral and political war against the billionaires and corporate leaders, on Wall Street and elsewhere, whose policies and greed are destroying the middle class of America." Bernie Sanders
    No; but Marxist loving, America hating leftists and the Democratic Party of the JACKASS are.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


    A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
    Author: Booker T. Washington



    Quote Originally Posted by Nomad View Post
    Unless you just can't stand the idea of "ni**ers" teaching white kids.


    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    Address the topic, not other posters.

  14. #104 | Top
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    87,043
    Thanks
    35,072
    Thanked 21,785 Times in 17,104 Posts
    Groans
    985
    Groaned 2,344 Times in 2,263 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    I find it very interesting that if one was to ask others why they doubt factcheckers, all they could come up with maybe one or two examples of erroneous factchecking.
    I also find it very interesting that the same people think factcheckers are too biased because their favorite RW media says so.

  15. #105 | Top
    Join Date
    Feb 2020
    Posts
    87,043
    Thanks
    35,072
    Thanked 21,785 Times in 17,104 Posts
    Groans
    985
    Groaned 2,344 Times in 2,263 Posts
    Blog Entries
    1

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    No; but Marxist loving, America hating leftists and the Democratic Party of the JACKASS are.

  16. The Following User Says Thank You to AProudLefty For This Post:

    Doc Dutch (06-09-2021)

Similar Threads

  1. The real threats to American law and order are Trump's craven enablers
    By jacksonsprat22 in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 09-26-2021, 07:47 AM
  2. OANN Staffer is Paid by Moscow
    By katzgar in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 07-23-2019, 02:04 PM
  3. Building a Democracy by Tearing it Down: The American Way
    By Disillusioned in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-01-2013, 10:31 AM
  4. American democracy
    By wiseones2cents in forum Current Events Forum
    Replies: 38
    Last Post: 11-27-2010, 11:57 PM
  5. Conservative media hates American democracy
    By midcan5 in forum General Politics Forum
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-10-2009, 03:10 PM

Bookmarks

Posting Rules

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •