How will Trump's presidency be remembered? Name three things.

[Port Tack]

Thankfully we didn't have buyden out there making sure we all had travel between China and the US while failing at doing anything but repeating Trump's plan after it was implemented. Fast tracking testing, tracing, and fast tracking a vaccine... All part of Presumptive President Elect buyden's "Plan" all were already implemented by Trump before he wrote the "plan" in March.

We will have an effective and safe vaccine before the end of this year because of Warp Speed, even though you really hate the man who implemented it.

Please tell me you aren't fucking stupid enough to think trumps ban on china did a fucking thing to stop this. Infected persons were pouring in from Europe every day.

[Port Tack]

The impeachment was false accusations brought by Democrats and was thrown out by the Senate.
The Democrats are the racists, not Trump.
Trump is not in command of the virus. No one is. No one can be. It just does what it does.

Masks do not stop a virus.
6 feet does not stop a virus.

Idiot governors that shut down their States, requiring masks, and social distancing, are still claiming the infection rate is going up. Why?

They were not false. if the senate was not republican trump would have been convicted and thrown out of office without question. Hell, if it had been a democratic senate he would not have outlived the Mueller investigation.

[Port Tack]

So a few things about this bullshit:

1. Trump was one of the LAST leaders to put a "travel ban" on China.

2. Once that "ban" was in place, 40,000+ people came into the country from China, weren't tested, weren't screened, weren't traced, and weren't mandated to go into quarantine.

3. Most of the infected came from Europe, not China...that's why NYC was a hotspot at the beginning...travel from Europe, which Trump was also slow to ban. Instead, European countries banned *us*.

4. His ban was xenophobic because he made exceptions for US citizens. And it didn't work anyway because travelers from China would just travel to a country that DIDN'T have a ban from the US, and they'd get into the US that way. 400,000 people have come from China since the start of this pandemic in that manner. None of them were tested or quarantined.

5. By the time the travel ban went into effect it was already too late; the virus was here, undetected, and spreading uncontrolled.

6. From January through February, Trump was on TV and on Twitter singing Xi's and China's praises...tweeting that they had it under control, were doing a good job, etc. If you want me to post the tweets, I can. But I'm sure you've seen them already. So why was Trump fawning over Xi for the first two months of this year???? Could his secret Chinese bank account have something to do with it?

I had a friend in China that went to Thailand, then Europe, then home. She said the plane was packed with people doing the same thing.

[LV426]

I think your chances of dying from covid are far greater than they are for taking the vaccine. I would take it in a heartbeat if I were able to.

Oh, I totally agree...but I have reservations about taking a vaccine that was rushed through development and approvals.

It feels like another one of these miracles that will never pan out, and is wholly designed to get away from the conversation that we probably should do a national lockdown to control the spread. Who knows when the vaccine will truly be ready for mass consumption?

Between then and now, we need to control the spread of the virus and the only real way to do that is to have everyone stay at home for 4-6 weeks.

[LV426]

1. Finally something was done about Illegal immigration at our Southern Borde

Yeah, concentration camps and kidnapping children. Weird brag.

2. lowered my taxes to an all time low, more of my money stays my money

Yeah right.

3. Cut regulations and corporate taxes to create the greatest economy on every front that this great country has ever seen

It was never the greatest economy.

Trump never topped Obama's best annual or quarterly GDP growth.

The DJIA has grown at its slowest rate since the last Conservative tax cut-fueled recession.

Trump created fewer jobs in his first three years than Obama did in his last three.

The size of the economy today is the same as it was 2 years ago.

Manufacturing sector has been in a recession since 2019.

The current recession started in February, before the COVID lockdowns.

The deficit is $3T+ and you've added more debt in 4 years than Obama did in 8.

Oh, and 30M unemployed, 25M of whom are filing continuing jobless claims, and the other 5M have simply given up looking for work.

4. exposed the swamp for what it really is, rotten from top to bottom

So is that why so many Trump officials have ended up in prison?

[Into the Night]

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in January 2020, wasn't President in April, and won't be President until January 2021.

Biden has nothing to do with Trump's failure.

Biden has to win first.

[Into the Night]

You're the one repeating things, pal.

And what is happening is 100% the responsibility of the President, not the guy who was running for President in April.

Biden had nothing to do with the poor choices you and Trump made during this crisis. He doesn't hold elected office, and didn't hold elected office in April. He was in the position where he could stand and snipe at Trump's poor response because Trump's response was fucking poor.

But I find it interesting how you are trying your hardest to shift the conversation from Trump's failures to what candidate Biden was saying or doing in April, before he even had the Democratic nomination in hand. That's by design because you don't want to admit that Trump, and by extension you, have failed at everything. Everything.




NOPE. NICE TRY. YOUR LIFEBOAT HAS BEEN BURNED. You get to own Trump now and forever. His baggage is your baggage to toil.

He will be gone one day, but the stink he left on you will last your lifetime.

The only 'crisis' is a manufactured one by the Democrats.

[Into the Night]

What was Trump's plan? Seriously, what was it? And if it was such a good plan, how come 250,000+ people have died and 11.5M have been infected?

Random numbers used as data. Argument from randU fallacy.
No one is command of the covid19 virus, not even Trump.

[Into the Night]

So in your own lying, dishonest way you're trying to conflate the 40,000 American loopholes (virtually none of whom were tested, screened, or traced) with the 400,000 travelers who came from China by way of another country to circumvent the ban. Virtually none of those 400,000 people were tested, screened, or traced either.




No, it's not. South Korea did it. New Zealand did it. Australia did it. Vietnam did it. Taiwan did it.

You didn't want to do it because you didn't want to admit that this was serious because that would mean Trump dropped the ball and since you live vicariously through him, his failures are also your failures.

That's why you personally spent the first four months of this year downplaying the virus and lying about it.

Testing does not stop a virus. Screening does not stop a virus.

[Into the Night]

Yes, thanks to you. You had a personal hand in spreading COVID lies and misinformation on JPP. So you bear as much responsibility for this crisis as Trump. And you will continue to bear that responsibility even after Trump is gone.

No lifeboats.

No one is in command of any covid19. It is not possible to command covid19.

[Into the Night]

Biden isn't President, wasn't President in April, wasn't President in January, and won't be President until January next year.

So whatever Biden said or did has no bearing on Trump's poor response that you encouraged, supported, and defended since the start.

Biden has to win first.

[Into the Night]

You and Trump's answer to the pandemic was to downplay it, go golfing, and leave the responsibility up to the governors.

That is not Joe Biden's plan.

There is no 'crisis' except the one manufactured by Democrats.

[Into the Night]

Pretty sure Joe Biden's pandemic plan didn't include getting sick himself.

No one can command covid19. Not even Biden.

[Into the Night]

This is a lie.

Inversion fallacy. It is YOU that is lying.

Before COVID, the economy entered a recession:

Lie.

It's official: Recession began in February, ending longest U.S. expansion ever
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/united-...rted-february/

Lie. Fake News.

Manufacturing was in a recession for all of 2019:

Lie.

U.S. manufacturing was in a mild recession during 2019, a sore spot for the economy
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...-spot-economy/

Lie. Fake News.

Trump's annual GDP growth has never topped Obama's best mark. Trump also created fewer jobs in his first three years than Obama did in his last three.

Lie.

The economy is currently 11% behind because of the recession, and the size of the economy today is what it was back in 2018.

Lie.

And what's the unemployment rate now?

Irrelevant. Divisional error fallacy.

And Trump had nothing to do with lowering that rate and there are now currently 30M unemployed, with 25M of them filing continuing jobless claims, and the other 5M HAVE SIMPLY GIVEN UP LOOKING FOR WORK.

Trump had nothing to do with raising the unemployment rate either. You are lying.

All he had to do was babysit Obama's economic recovery and he couldn't even do that.

Obama didn't have a recovery. Lie.

Household income was up $6,500 only because of income gains at the top. Wages have remained stagnant for everyone else, except for those whose minimum wages were raised by over 20 states the last three years. Remind me, who opposes raising the minimum wage? Oh right, you do.

Price controls don't work..

[Into the Night]

Trump lost..

Trump hasn't lost. Biden hasn't won.

you don't need to keep lying about the recovery.

He's not. YOU are.

This week, 700,000 people filed for unemployment.

Thanks to the Democrats and their manufactured 'crisis'.

We are not in any recovery state and we will see 200,000 new cases a day by December.

Thanks to the Democrats and their manufactured 'crisis'.

This is all because you couldn't control your lying earlier this year.

Nope. It was because of the Democrats manufacturing a 'crisis'.

Also, if you go down 33%, then up 33%, you're still 11% behind because, math. I know math and counting are challenging things for Conservatives....

You deny math. Base rate error.