Biden kills Keystone XL permit.... again

[no worries]

You believe oil trains are better? ... 2 million gallons spilled in a town by oil train, 47 killed, town destroyed. Do You want oil trains going thru your neighborhodd?

" July 6, 2013, when an unattended 73-car freight train carrying Bakken Formation crude oil rolled down a 1.2% grade from Nantes and derailed downtown, resulting in the fire and explosion of multiple tank cars. Forty-two people were confirmed dead, with five more missing and presumed dead.[3] More than 30 buildings in the town's centre, roughly half of the downtown area, were destroyed,[2][4] and all but three of the thirty-nine remaining downtown buildings had to be demolished due to petroleum contamination of the townsite.[5] Initial newspaper reports described a 1-kilometre (0.6 mi) blast radius.[6]

The death toll of 47 makes it the fourth-deadliest rail accident in Canadian history"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lac-M%..._rail_disaster

And that's only one example of many.

When it comes to the rules regarding oil trains in America, many regulations that would improve safety have yet to be written. One reason is that, despite the multiple oil train crashes resulting in massive explosions in the past several years, there have been no fatalities in America.

Although 47 people did die in the Lac-Megantic oil train crash just north of the Maine border in Canada, that apparently isn’t enough to change the tradition of the rail industry fighting any regulations that might improve public safety.

An investigation by the Federal Railroad Administration(FRA) into the Mount Carbon oil train derailment concluded that the cause of the accident was a broken rail. At that time, Sarah Feinberg, the FRA’s acting administrator, noted that, “Broken rail is one of the leading causes of accidents.”

So what are the regulations regarding rails becoming worn and increasing the risk of derailments? There are none.

As the Associated Press (AP) reported in December, efforts to improve safety via rail wear regulations were stopped by the rail industry in 2013 in favor of “voluntary” safety measures.

Richard Inclima, head of the union representing rail inspectors, summed up the reality of what happened, “There was certainly a lot of pushback and a lot of political pressure put on FRA not to adopt regulations for rail wear. The industry doesn’t want to be regulated. That’s no secret.”

Following the Mount Carbon accident, the FRA is making plans to once again try for rail wear regulations.

FRA confirmed to DeSmog,“The Federal Railroad Administration has started its internal process to move forward with a rule to establish rail wear standards.”

Of course, the industry will once again flex its lobbying muscle to create “a lot of pushback and a lot of political pressure.” And these rulemaking processes take years. So, there is a well-established known risk and leading contributor to derailments — and still no regulations while the bomb trains roll on — because the industry doesn’t want them.

So corporations, once again putting profits over safety.
Not surprising.

The pipeline is less than 10 years old, not even completed yet and already 3 spills, on just that one pipeline.

Pipelines are cheaper and carry more oil and natural gas than rail cars but their spills are larger and go undetected for longer periods of time.

Not against pipelines at all but the route would ruin the water supply for millions of people.
A derailing oil train could do the same but the reaction time would be quicker.

[no worries]

These twats have no concept of relative risks, they are just fucking numpties!

Teabaggers claim their ideas have no risks.

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Nobody fooled Joanie, you're a nasty evil old cunt,!

[ThatOwlWoman]

Indeed....Zero unity yet and none in sight....
Hopefully if Joe truly wants what is best for the country, he'll reverse some of those ridiculous EOs... Keystone XL tops on the list....Another decision that hurts so many Americans in so many ways...Maybe Montana doesn't count in his America..

Actually the only thing that is hurt with the death of Keystone is a handful of maintenance jobs and Canada's inability to transport its toxic crude over one of the country's largest aquifers. I'm sure, being the racist that you are, you also don't give a shit about the danger to the drinking water of the native people whose land it passes through either, right? The only thing we get out of it are a few jobs, and the company that built it gets fees for the crude transported. Mni wičoni.

Of course being the dutiful sycophantic Reichtard that you are, you'll have some credible sources at hand to show how great Keystone is for America, right? I didn't think so.

[Minister of Truth]

Actually the only thing that is hurt with the death of Keystone is a handful of maintenance jobs and Canada's inability to transport its toxic crude over one of the country's largest aquifers. I'm sure, being the racist that you are, you also don't give a shit about the danger to the drinking water of the native people whose land it passes through either, right? The only thing we get out of it are a few jobs, and the company that built it gets fees for the crude transported. Mni wičoni.

Of course being the dutiful sycophantic Reichtard that you are, you'll have some credible sources at hand to show how great Keystone is for America, right? I didn't think so.

Supposedly, it will cost ~71k jobs, which is not too shabby.

The first 1000 to go are all union, and, it's always fun to see union workers get hosed by a Dem because of how surprised they always act.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Supposedly, it will cost ~71k jobs, which is not too shabby.

The first 1000 to go are all union, and, it's always fun to see union workers get hosed by a Dem because of how surprised they always act.

Let's see your source for these claims. Are you claiming that these are permanent jobs, or are they just the jobs building the pipeline?

Some years ago when we lived in a rural county NW of St. Louis, we had a lot of people pushing for a new pipeline build through the county. It was running from the shale oil fields to the refineries in Illinois. A lot of landowners didn't want it, but being a conservative rural area they were persuaded by the promise of jobs and a boost to the economy. So the part of the project in our county lasted but a summer. The workers were all from other areas. The only "boost" came from them staying in hotels and buying food and stuff during their stay. Then they were *poof* gone. Ironically, this pipeline had a rupture in 2019 and caused an oil spill a bit south of where we used to live. Even more ironically, it's part of the Keystone system, and run by Enbridge. Enbridge has its own problems up here in the frozen north, with its line running under the straits of Mackinac.

This map shows the pipelines and how they converge at Wood River in Illinois. All of them cross under the Mississippi near STL. The bottom map has a red dot over the words "Lincoln County." That's where we used to live.

[Cypress]

Let's see your source for these claims. Are you claiming that these are permanent jobs, or are they just the jobs building the pipeline?

Some years ago when we lived in a rural county NW of St. Louis, we had a lot of people pushing for a new pipeline build through the county. It was running from the shale oil fields to the refineries in Illinois. A lot of landowners didn't want it, but being a conservative rural area they were persuaded by the promise of jobs and a boost to the economy. So the part of the project in our county lasted but a summer. The workers were all from other areas. The only "boost" came from them staying in hotels and buying food and stuff during their stay. Then they were *poof* gone. Ironically, this pipeline had a rupture in 2019 and caused an oil spill a bit south of where we used to live. Even more ironically, it's part of the Keystone system, and run by Enbridge. Enbridge has its own problems up here in the frozen north, with its line running under the straits of Mackinac.

This map shows the pipelines and how they converge at Wood River in Illinois. All of them cross under the Mississippi near STL. The bottom map has a red dot over the words "Lincoln County." That's where we used to live.

"The U.S. State Department forecasted that no more than 50 permanent jobs, some of which could be located in Canada, would be required to maintain the pipeline. Thirty-five of them would be permanent, while 15 would be temporary contractors."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ne/ar-BB1d0pxp

[Cypress]

"The U.S. State Department forecasted that no more than 50 permanent jobs, some of which could be located in Canada, would be required to maintain the pipeline. Thirty-five of them would be permanent, while 15 would be temporary contractors."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ne/ar-BB1d0pxp

That is a hell of a lot of environmental damage for 35 permanent jobs, some of which would be Canadian jobs.

[ThatOwlWoman]

"The U.S. State Department forecasted that no more than 50 permanent jobs, some of which could be located in Canada, would be required to maintain the pipeline. Thirty-five of them would be permanent, while 15 would be temporary contractors."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ne/ar-BB1d0pxp

And there goes the Reichwing myth that Biden killed thousands of pipeline jobs. Nicely done, sir.

The latest fun thing here is a space port. Some private association wants to buy a large chunk of lakeshore property nearby and build a vertical launch site. Like they all do, they're promising 100s of jobs. Turns out that the jobs will go to the construction crew and are of course temporary. The launch control site itself is elsewhere. It will cause massive environmental damage, loss of property enjoyment for those of us who live nearby, light and noise and water pollution, traffic issues (the site is off a two-lane highway miles from Marquette). Our neighbors and us have banded together with an environmental attorney who lives here, and we are enlisting the aid of the Nature Conservancy. The property owner just wants to get shut of it. If we can get the Conservancy to buy it instead -- they already own tracts here -- problem solved.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/07/v...marquette.html

[T. A. Gardner]

"The U.S. State Department forecasted that no more than 50 permanent jobs, some of which could be located in Canada, would be required to maintain the pipeline. Thirty-five of them would be permanent, while 15 would be temporary contractors."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/mark...ne/ar-BB1d0pxp

This is myopic thinking.

Companies like this build and maintain pipelines. Just because the operation requires just 35 or so jobs, doesn't mean the contractors and their construction workers disappear. The job of building and even repairing and maintaining that line falls on companies like the one below.

https://nextcenturi.com/

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Joe doesn't care about all Americans....He's proving that every second he's in office...
https://montanafreepress.org/2021/01...l-keystone-xl/
https://www.kfyrtv.com/2021/01/21/no...e-xl-pipeline/

[Cypress]

And there goes the Reichwing myth that Biden killed thousands of pipeline jobs. Nicely done, sir.

The latest fun thing here is a space port. Some private association wants to buy a large chunk of lakeshore property nearby and build a vertical launch site. Like they all do, they're promising 100s of jobs. Turns out that the jobs will go to the construction crew and are of course temporary. The launch control site itself is elsewhere. It will cause massive environmental damage, loss of property enjoyment for those of us who live nearby, light and noise and water pollution, traffic issues (the site is off a two-lane highway miles from Marquette). Our neighbors and us have banded together with an environmental attorney who lives here, and we are enlisting the aid of the Nature Conservancy. The property owner just wants to get shut of it. If we can get the Conservancy to buy it instead -- they already own tracts here -- problem solved.

https://www.mlive.com/news/2020/07/v...marquette.html

Wow.

Undoubtedly the pipeline would have needed some temorary seasonal workers.

But trading off the environmental damage for three dozen permanent jobs is a hard sell to make.

The XL pipeline was always about money and profit for investors and our corporate overlords. Not about Joe lunch pail.

[ThatOwlWoman]

Wow.

Undoubtedly the pipeline would have needed some temorary seasonal workers.

But trading off the environmental damage for three dozen permanent jobs is a hard sell to make.

The XL pipeline was always about money and profit for investors and our corporate overlords. Not about Joe lunch pail.

Exactly. But the Reichtards are too stupid to figure that out. I see my Klingon has arrived to demonstrate this.

[Cypress]

This is myopic thinking.

Companies like this build and maintain pipelines. Just because the operation requires just 35 or so jobs, doesn't mean the contractors and their construction workers disappear. The job of building and even repairing and maintaining that line falls on companies like the one below.

https://nextcenturi.com/

I realize temporary workers have to periodically be hired to perform maintainance projects.

But when Hyundai or Toyota build a plant in USA, they can legitimately claim to be creating a few thousand, good paying permanent jobs.

Why do pipeline fans feel compelled to retreat to an entirely different metric of measuring job creation??

[ThatOwlWoman]

This is myopic thinking.

Companies like this build and maintain pipelines. Just because the operation requires just 35 or so jobs, doesn't mean the contractors and their construction workers disappear. The job of building and even repairing and maintaining that line falls on companies like the one below.

https://nextcenturi.com/

Nope. What is myopic is the thinking that somehow a few temporary jobs is worth the environmental risk that falls entirely upon the United States. We get no other benefit -- the oil running through Keystone is Canada's, not ours.

Imagine the cost of cleaning up an oil spill that affects the Missouri River, or the Ogallala Aquifer. Do you think those temp jobs would cover the cost? Where will America's bread basket get water if that is tainted?

Reichwingers only think of the $$ signs flashing before their eyes at the moment, and seem mostly incapable of looking into the future.