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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Chm. Jao killing jobs, raising taxes, raising gas prices, infecting our National Guard. There's just no end to the fun and unity is there?
    Trump ended his term w/ 900,000 filing for unemployment benefits in one week - his final week.

    What jobs is Biden killing?

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    Excellent article from the IER.

    Biden Day 1 Executive Orders

    On January 20th, immediately following being sworn in, the Biden administration announced a slew of executive actions, several involving energy and environmental policy. Most headlines have focused on the Keystone XL pipeline decision and rejoining the Paris agreement, but other actions will over time have a more widespread impact.

    Actions with near-term effect

    The action with the most immediate result is the revocation of the Keystone XL permit to cross the US-Canada border. Because the permit is purely presidential, rather than any agency action, it is not required to go through any formal process. The permit revocation does not affect the parts of the pipeline that are already constructed and operating. Despite crowing by various environmental pressure groups, the permit revocation also will not have an effect on oil production from Canada. Rather than traveling through the pipeline, Canadian production will have to travel by rail coming into the US. Perhaps ironically, considering the objections to the pipeline were environmental, rail transportation results in greater greenhouse gas emissions and a higher risk of spills or accidents (from crashes and derailments) compared to pipelines. The decision is thus mostly symbolic, though the 1,000 or more job losses already announced and the greater demand for Venezuelan heavy crude are very real effects.

    Another order with near-term effect is the decision to rejoin the Paris Agreement, the non-binding international agreement on reducing greenhouse gas emissions. There is a 30-day waiting period to rejoin, which means the US will rejoin on February 19th. The Biden administration appears ready to continue the Obama administration’s fiction that the Paris Agreement is not a treaty requiring Senate ratification. The immediate practical effect of this action is nil, the treaty is non-binding and in any case the Biden administration has announced no new commitments under the treaty. As a signaling effort, though, it cannot be ignored. The administration clearly intends to use the Paris Agreement as a justification for its harmful climate policies, and there remains the danger that activist judges will use the agreement as a backdoor means to impose climate regulations that cannot pass Congress.

    The third set of actions with near-term effects impact oil and gas development in Alaska. The Biden administration has reinstated the Obama administration’s withdrawal of offshore development off the north coast of Alaska. While the Trump administration did rescind that withdrawal, low oil prices and the difficulties of offshore development in the Arctic resulted in no new activity during his term. Thus this decision does not have on-the-ground effects right now.

    The Biden administration also announced a moratorium on leasing activity in the coastal plain of Alaska pending a new environmental review. The Trump administration earlier this year completed a first round of leasing in the coastal plain. The order does not revoke these leases, but the Biden administration is signaling a clear intent to hold up any efforts at development. However, moving forward with a leasing program for the coastal plain is congressionally mandated under current law. Without new action from Congress, the Biden administration cannot stonewall development forever, but regulatory tricks and delay tactics can be expected. Limiting the near term effect of this action, though, is that development activity in the coastal plain was already unlikely in the near term due to low oil prices and coronavirus-weakened global demand. Any actual development activity was already not expected during Biden’s term, but regulatory obstruction today can still hamper future development.

    Long-term regulatory action

    The Biden administration also laid out its plan of action on regulations. These are described as “executive orders” but they are actually instructions to various agencies and departments to begin the process of reviewing and revising regulations and guidance. Other than the revocations of executive orders from the Trump administration and freezing any regulations that have not gone into effect, these executive orders have little-to-no immediate effect. They do act as a guide for what regulatory actions the Biden administration is intending to pursue.

    One memorandum with potentially wide-ranging impact is entitled “Modernizing Regulatory Review.” The relatively innocuous title conceals a Trojan horse, particularly for energy and environmental policy. For several decades, radical environmentalists have complained that the review guidelines for regulations set out by the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) are “too friendly to industry.” By this, these activists really mean that more weight is given to economic considerations rather than their pet ideological preferences, which makes it harder for them to get the sort of draconian regulations they support approved. The memo seeks to inject considerations like “social welfare, racial justice, environmental stewardship, human dignity, equity, and the interests of future generations” into the regulatory review process. The problem, of course, is that all these concepts are nebulous, very much dependent on the eye of the beholder. This is a recipe for increased capriciousness in the regulatory process, with all the harm and uncertainty that entails for the livelihoods of the people who are subject to these regulations.

    The executive orders also include the roadmap of administration regulatory priorities in energy and environment. The administration wants to impose stricter methane regulations on the oil and gas industry than those approved by the Trump administration. They want to review the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards for 2021-2026 issued by the EPA and Department of Transportation. The administration also will seek to create a replacement for the Obama administration Clean Power Plan. Additionally, there are instructions to review energy efficiency standards for buildings and appliances.

    While generally unsurprising priorities, some of these efforts will be difficult to advance. The scope of federal regulatory authority over methane is very much an open legal question. The Obama administration’s attempts to regulate methane have been struck down in court and the Trump administration’s alternative methane regulations were also stopped from going into effect. Methane regulations are set for a years-long slog with an uncertain outcome at the end.

    A Clean Power Plan (CPP) replacement is on similarly uncertain grounds. In a timely gift, the DC Circuit ruled that the Trump administration replacement for the CPP, known as the Affordable Clean Energy (ACE) rule was poorly reasoned and remanded the regulation back to the EPA. However, the courts also questioned the Obama CPP, with the Supreme Court in 2016 preventing it from ever going into effect. The Biden administration is left with the difficult decision of whether to try to replicate the CPP, which will face a Supreme Court that has only grown more skeptical of regulatory overreach since 2016, or chart a more modest approach, which would outrage the environmentalist base of the Democratic party.

    The proposed CAFE standards rewrite is uncertain as well, but for a different reason. The standards from the Trump administration are for cars already entering the market. Legally, the federal government must give car manufacturers 18 months notice of a change in CAFE standards, and that does not account for the often years it takes to shepherd a rulemaking through the notice-and-comment process. This timeline means it will be difficult for the Biden administration to issue new CAFE standards before the Trump administration 2021-2026 standards are more than halfway passed.

    Long-term executive action

    Outside of the formal regulatory intentions, there are also a number of administrative actions that are more within the purview of the executive branch, allowing for more rapid and certain action by the administration.

    The administration will review the boundary adjustments made to several national monuments by the Trump administration. It is almost a foregone conclusion that this review will result in a recommendation to re-establish the monument boundaries. While designating and expanding national monuments is at the sole discretion of the president, states such as Utah have moved forward with leasing in some areas within previous monument boundaries. This will complicate efforts to reestablish the boundaries, especially given the numerous court decisions under the Trump administration that limit the ability of a president to undo the actions of his predecessors.

    The administration will work to replace the White House Council On Environmental Quality (CEQ) implementation rules on evaluation of greenhouse gasses (GHG) during National Environmental Policy Act (NEPA) reviews. NEPA environmental assessments are required for most federal activities. The Trump administration finalized instructions for government agencies for how to consider GHGs during these assessments. A particularly significant part of those rules was that only the direct emissions of the project or action itself should be considered, which the Biden administration will seek to change. While CEQ is a White House office, the Trump administration did create its implementation regulations through the formal rulemaking process. This means the Biden administration will need to undertake a formal process to withdraw them. While this will slow down the Biden administration’s ambitions, it will not stop them from producing new NEPA rules that can be expected to make NEPA compliance even more expensive and burdensome.

    A final action that will have major ramifications is the revival of the executive branch interagency working group on the social cost of carbon (SCC). The SCC purports to measure the cost of various externalities, for example, greenhouse gasses. The problem with a SCC is that it is infinitely malleable; there are large ranges of perfectly defensible assumptions that radically change its value. For example, under some climate models, using a discount rate (used to calculate the present value of future costs) of 7% as recommended by OMB results in a negative SCC, meaning that CO2 emissions today are actually beneficial. Using a very low discount rate, as advocated by radical environmentalists, makes the SCC very high to justify draconian action. And the discount rate is only one of many variables.

    The Trump administration has used a SCC that is much lower than what environmentalists would prefer, so the goal of the Biden administration’s interagency working group will be to create a higher value. This way the Biden administration can pretend that even swingingly harmful regulations that impoverish Americans today are in fact a net “benefit.” In addition to greenhouse gasses, the Biden executive order also seeks to inject “environmental justice” and “intergenerational equity” into the SCC calculation process. As elsewhere, these nebulous concepts are a recipe for capricious policymaking. There is no definition of environmental justice or intergenerational equity; a regulator can simply make up whatever they need to make their desired regulation look good.

    Conclusion

    While some of the impacts on energy and environmental policy of Biden’s executive orders can be guessed at, a great deal is up in the air. Some of the executive orders would appear to conflict with each other. For example, the administration’s desire for extensive climate regulations will drive up the cost of energy, but higher energy costs disproportionately harm poor and minority groups. This conflicts with the repeated references to racial justice and inequality throughout the executive orders. Additionally, the timelines for many of these regulations are exceptionally ambitious, to put it mildly.

    To square these circles, the Biden administration will need to drop or limit some of its ambitions. Unfortunately, the regulatory blitz outlined in these executive orders is so potentially far-reaching that it introduces uncertainty throughout the economy. These executive orders do not just impact the producers of energy and their employees, but every company or individual that consumes energy. The framework spelled out in these executive orders seeks an end to affordable energy supplies. It further proposes injecting a whole range of ideological preferences into the regulatory and cost-benefit processes, with no accounting for the economic damage sure to come from arbitrary ideological regulatory standards and resulting uncertainty.

    If carried through on, these executive orders are certain to cause massive economic disruption. Guessing to what degree they will be followed-through on creates massive uncertainty. Given the fragile state of the economy, as we move out of the coronavirus period, these executive orders are the last thing anyone hoping for a healthy economic recovery should desire.
    https://www.instituteforenergyresear...cutive-orders/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poor Richard Saunders View Post
    By the time I need a new battery I will have saved over $15,000 in oil changes and gas that I didn't have to use. That doesn't even include the other maintenance costs like spark plugs, radiator and transmission flushes etc that aren't required on an electric vehicle.

    I can see how deluded you are when you think that somehow it costs me more to get free energy from my roof compared to having to pay at the gas pump. I am simply using energy that otherwise would radiate out into space after having entered the atmosphere from space. Return on investment is how much it saves me over the long term not how much it costs me this week.
    How much will you spend on electricity to charge that electric car? You'll still have to get it inspected and maintained. Wait until you get a short in the system from a hard rain storm or driving through a deep puddle. Gonna suck to be you when you can't find a garage that will fix it and you have to go to a high priced dealership. Save your money...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    How much will you spend on electricity to charge that electric car? You'll still have to get it inspected and maintained. Wait until you get a short in the system from a hard rain storm or driving through a deep puddle. Gonna suck to be you when you can't find a garage that will fix it and you have to go to a high priced dealership. Save your money...
    Winter is a bitch on those cars too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guille View Post
    Winter is a bitch on those cars too.
    Electric heater? Those things require a lot of current.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Electric heater? Those things require a lot of current.
    If the battery even has any juice left when you need to start the car. Cold temps kill batteries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    Electric heater? Those things require a lot of current.
    Yes they do, electric cars don't go very far when it's freezing outside, windscreen wipers going like crazy, headlights are on main beam and the heater is on full blast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    How much will you spend on electricity to charge that electric car? You'll still have to get it inspected and maintained. Wait until you get a short in the system from a hard rain storm or driving through a deep puddle. Gonna suck to be you when you can't find a garage that will fix it and you have to go to a high priced dealership. Save your money...
    you are such a dumbass!! good god, bitch, electric cars have been on the road in this country about as long as gas powered cars. none of that shit you talk about is prevalent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hoosier Daddy View Post
    you are such a dumbass!! good god, bitch, electric cars have been on the road in this country about as long as gas powered cars. none of that shit you talk about is prevalent.
    Actually, electric cars were around before gas powered cars. Gas powered cars came out and proved they were better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RB 60 View Post
    How much will you spend on electricity to charge that electric car? You'll still have to get it inspected and maintained. Wait until you get a short in the system from a hard rain storm or driving through a deep puddle. Gonna suck to be you when you can't find a garage that will fix it and you have to go to a high priced dealership. Save your money...
    Yup.

    Those things are miles away from being a rational choice for the vast majority of consumers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Yup.

    Those things are miles away from being a rational choice for the vast majority of consumers.
    they are improving rapidly.in terms of charge time and distance -
    A typical electric car (60kWh battery) takes just under 8 hours to charge from empty-to-full with a 7kW charging point. Most drivers top up charge rather than waiting for their battery to recharge from empty-to-full. For many electric cars, you can add up to 100 miles of range in ~35 minutes with a 50kW rapid charger.
    the problem is China is sucking up all the rare earth metals material for battery production,
    and im nt sure how the batteries ae recycleable.

    I suppose if we throw enough subsidies it can happen -the problem is we'll be hurting our industry while helping China

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    Quote Originally Posted by Primavera View Post
    Yes they do, electric cars don't go very far when it's freezing outside, windscreen wipers going like crazy, headlights are on main beam and the heater is on full blast.
    ha! i never thought of that

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    Quote Originally Posted by no worries View Post
    Why?

    The Keystone XL pipeline will transport crude oil from Alberta, Canada to Nebraska. The oil will then flow through another pipeline to Gulf Coast refineries, where it will be refined into petroleum products like gasoline.

    Gulf Coast refineries export about two-thirds of their products, according to a U.S. Energy Information Administration report in January. The rest is sold in the U.S. That is a marked shift since 2012, when refineries exported about 38 percent of their products.

    The Gulf Coast exports of crude oil -- oil that has not been refined into everything from butane to gasoline -- spiked during the same time period. Companies exported about 280,000 barrels of crude oil every day last year, compared to 4,000 in 2012.

    The Gulf Coast imported more than 3.3 million barrels of crude oil a day in 2016.

    Most of that oil came from Latin America and the Middle East. Only 9 percent of the crude oil imported to the Gulf Coast came from Canada.

    Seems to me we should keep that 280,000 barrels of crude.
    The U.S. uses 20 million barrels of petrol products per day.

    And ...
    "In 2019, Canada was the source of 49% of U.S. total gross petroleum imports and 56% of gross crude oil imports.
    The top five sources of U.S. total petroleum (including crude oil) imports by share of total petroleum imports in 2019 were.
    Canada49%
    Mexico7%
    Saudi Arabia6%
    Russia6%
    Colombia4%


    Oil imports and exports - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)www.eia.gov › oil-and-petroleum-products › imports-and.."



    That XL oil will now be shipped by trains, trucks and barges, you dumbfuck white lib. You think that's an improvement?
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    Quote Originally Posted by no worries View Post
    U.S. refineries were set up to process the heavier foreign oils.

    What was your point?
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    — Joe Biden on Obama.

    Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.

    D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.

    Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    they are improving rapidly.in terms of charge time and distance -

    the problem is China is sucking up all the rare earth metals material for battery production,
    and im nt sure how the batteries ae recycleable.

    I suppose if we throw enough subsidies it can happen -the problem is we'll be hurting our industry while helping China
    They’re definitely improving and will continue to.

    But can you imagine the repair bill when one breaks lol? What if the battery goes out a week after the warranty expires? That sort of thing is going to scare off the majority of consumers [I’m one of them] for the foreseeable future.
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