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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Read the Marc Rich case. The guy was a gazillionaire and wanted for all sorts of business fraud and schemes and the like... Think ENRON on steroids. He fled the US and was hiding in Switzerland which has no extradition treaty with the US so the feds couldn't nab him. He lived right out in the open there with a millionaire lifestyle. He was on the FBI's ten most wanted list for years.

    Meanwhile, his wife was still in the US. She "donated" over a million to the DNC and gave the Hildabeast $100,000 for her senate campaign. The Israelis had some deal going with him too and MOSSAD and various Israeli politicians lobbied for his pardon.

    Bill pardoned him on his last day in office.

    Far, far, worse than anything Trump did with pardons.
    I agree it was bad, I disagree it was worse than pardoning your personal political operatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    Constitution won't be amended. But clearly, the pardon power is mostly abused and without merit.
    Actually, most pardons are deserved. It's the ones where politics and money come into play that are abused. Maybe a confirmation process like for many high federal offices should be in place. The President nominates someone for pardon, the Senate confirms it. Had that been the case, Marc Rich would still be hiding in Switzerland, as one example.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I agree it was bad, I disagree it was worse than pardoning your personal political operatives.
    Gardner wanted Trump to violently take over the US government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, most pardons are deserved. It's the ones where politics and money come into play that are abused. Maybe a confirmation process like for many high federal offices should be in place. The President nominates someone for pardon, the Senate confirms it. Had that been the case, Marc Rich would still be hiding in Switzerland, as one example.
    yes...all Democrats are evil...fascinating

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jarod View Post
    I agree it was bad, I disagree it was worse than pardoning your personal political operatives.
    No, it isn't, particularly when their supposed criminal acts were niggling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenPresident View Post
    yes...all Democrats are evil...fascinating
    Republicans can be just as evil. I hold Richard Nixon up as the leading example of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Republicans can be just as evil. I hold Richard Nixon up as the leading example of that.
    Nixon is a saint compared to Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Capitalist View Post
    As you can see, some presidents will use it to allow their thugs to commit crimes to do their dirty work.

    At least change the law to state the president can not pardon someone he has a personal relationship with or can not benefit in the pardon in any way.

    Trump has shown that people can break the law to help keep someone in power and not face prosecution.

    The Presidential pardon could be very dangerous in the wrong hands.
    Not without a Constitutional Amendment since the power is directly granted to the President in the Constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Stalinist View Post
    As you can see, some presidents will use it to allow their thugs to commit crimes to do their dirty work. At least change the law to state the president can not pardon someone he has a personal relationship with or can not benefit in the pardon in any way.
    Like Blowjob Bill Clinton and Marc Rich?

    Like Blowjob Bill Clinton and his brother Roger?

    Oh, I get it. You just want the power of presidential pardons removed from Republican presidents, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    Not without a Constitutional Amendment since the power is directly granted to the President in the Constitution.
    When has the Constitution ever deterred a leftist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenUsurper View Post
    yes...all Democrats are evil...fascinating
    I don't think it's a coincidence, either. Kudos for admitting it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BidenUsurper View Post
    Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joe Stalinist View Post
    The Constitution can be amended and has been in the past.
    True. The GOP pushed through the 13th, 14th, and 15th amendments, as I recall.

    DEMOCRATS?

    Not so much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T. A. Gardner View Post
    Actually, most pardons are deserved. It's the ones where politics and money come into play that are abused. Maybe a confirmation process like for many high federal offices should be in place. The President nominates someone for pardon, the Senate confirms it. Had that been the case, Marc Rich would still be hiding in Switzerland, as one example.
    No. Marc Rich would still be dead. He died in Switzerland where he continued to live after his pardon.

    I am curious how someone can be in hiding if they are living openly? Can you explain that one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brad** View Post



    I agree it was bad
    I don't believe you. Did you object when Blowjob Bill issued the pardon?


    Quote Originally Posted by Brad** View Post



    I disagree it was worse than pardoning your personal political operatives.
    Ill-prepared, as usual? No wonder I hear your practice is failing and you're under a cloud.

    Rich's ex-wife Denise had made large donations to the DEMOCRAT Party.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Rich

    Now, split that hair, Brad**, I dare you.

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