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    No wonder IHA doesn't want any discussion in his thread...


    New Report Undermines Right-Wing Media Claim That Higher Minimum Wages Threaten Job Creation


    Washington Led Nation In Workforce Vitality Report Despite Country's Highest Minimum Wages

    According to a recent report by the private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP), the state of Washington received the highest score in the nation on wage and job growth in the fourth quarter of 2015. The state's outstanding performance runs counter to the doom-and-gloom scenarios pushed by right-wing media about the supposed side effects of elevated minimum wages.

    On February 15, The Seattle Times reported that Washington was "far outpacing" other states in job and wage growth for the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the most recent ADP Workforce Vitality Report. ADP gave Washington a job and wage growth score of 117.9 on its Workforce Vitality Index, besting the average national score by over 11 points. The index looks at "key labor market indicators, such as employment growth, job turnover, wage growth and hours worked." From The Seattle Times:

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    "Washington is really overperforming on employment growth," said Ahu Yildirmaz, head of research for ADP, a payroll services company.

    Nationwide, employment and wages both increased by 2.1 percent year-over-year during the fourth/ quarter of 2015.

    In Washington, however, employment climbed by 3.7 percent. Much of that came from hiring in construction, information technology, professional services, and leisure and hospitality industries.

    [...]

    In sectors such as in retail and hospitality, some employers in the region are raising wages for managers in response to recent minimum-wage bumps in Seattle and SeaTac, said Sage Wilson, spokesperson for Working Washington, an advocacy organization.

    Anecdotally, Wilson has heard of employers outside of those cities finding that they must match higher wages to compete for employees. The minimum-wage increases, however, are relatively new and could take years before they significantly impact statewide data.


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    The state of Washington already has the highest statewide minimum wage in the country -- $9.47 per hour -- and, as The Seattle Times alluded to, the cities of Seattle and SeaTac are in the process of phasing in the highest municipal minimum wages in the country -- $15 per hour. While The Seattle Times reported that it "could take years" before municipal minimum wage increases "significantly impact statewide data" the ADP report undermines right-wing media claims that minimum wage increases are already hurting employers, workers, and local economies.

    Conservative media smears against Seattle's minimum wage increase started soon after the city approved an ordinance raising the minimum wage to $15 over the course of a three- to seven-year period. In July 2015, Fox News' Dan Springer falsely claimed that Seattle was facing "unintended consequences" from the wage increase, with some low-income workers attempting to game the system so as to remain eligible for welfare benefits. In August, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) used cherry-picked data to claim Seattle's minimum wage increase "has started having a negative effect on restaurant jobs." Fox Business host Stuart Varney echoed AEI's sentiment a month later on his show, weeks after the specific job loss claim had been debunked. Other right-wing outlets, including The Daily Caller and Investor's Business Daily, have combed through municipal jobs data in Seattle to exaggerate alleged side effects of the minimum wage.

    Right-wing media are staunchly opposed to increasing the minimum wage and dedicated to promoting the myth that wage increases result in job losses, despite a wealth of evidence showing that minimum wage increases have a negligible effect on employment.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02...laim-th/208644
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Media Matters?

    Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.

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    You will never see credible evidence from consevatards on small min wage increases hurting the economy

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Media Matters?

    Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.
    Facts are facts.

    Numbers don't change depending on which website they happen to come from.

    But here you are, attacking the source once more.

    If you had anything more substantial, you'd post it.
    What kind of country have we become?

    One in which federal prosecutors can take “evidence” before a “grand jury,”

    and that grand jury can “vote to indict” a former president for 91 alleged “crimes”?

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    Don't hold your breath

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Media Matters?

    Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.
    Don't care about the source. The comparison is bogus. The $15/hour minimum wage ONLY exists in Seattle, not the entire state. So trying to use the entire state is an effort to gloss over Seattles failure.

    EPIC FAIL

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    15 is rediculously high

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Dude View Post
    15 is rediculously high

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Media Matters?

    Yes, I'll attack the source because you aren't serious about discussing the issue if this is who you post from.
    LOL

    Also impressive was the report was put out by the "private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP)"....

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    Quote Originally Posted by RacerX View Post
    LOL

    Also impressive was the report was put out by the "private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP)"....
    What is hilarious is that someone would try to pass off State data as a comparison to an individual city which is what I was discussing. People wonder why they get thread banned when they do stupid shit like this.

    What is even more hilarious is that I have challenged Zipperhead to a 1:1 debate outside of APP which he claims I am afraid to do and he runs from it.

    #WINNING

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZappasGuitar View Post
    No wonder IHA doesn't want any discussion in his thread...


    New Report Undermines Right-Wing Media Claim That Higher Minimum Wages Threaten Job Creation


    Washington Led Nation In Workforce Vitality Report Despite Country's Highest Minimum Wages

    According to a recent report by the private payroll firm Automatic Data Processing (ADP), the state of Washington received the highest score in the nation on wage and job growth in the fourth quarter of 2015. The state's outstanding performance runs counter to the doom-and-gloom scenarios pushed by right-wing media about the supposed side effects of elevated minimum wages.

    On February 15, The Seattle Times reported that Washington was "far outpacing" other states in job and wage growth for the fourth quarter of 2015, according to the most recent ADP Workforce Vitality Report. ADP gave Washington a job and wage growth score of 117.9 on its Workforce Vitality Index, besting the average national score by over 11 points. The index looks at "key labor market indicators, such as employment growth, job turnover, wage growth and hours worked." From The Seattle Times:

    ================================================== ================================================== =============

    "Washington is really overperforming on employment growth," said Ahu Yildirmaz, head of research for ADP, a payroll services company.

    Nationwide, employment and wages both increased by 2.1 percent year-over-year during the fourth/ quarter of 2015.

    In Washington, however, employment climbed by 3.7 percent. Much of that came from hiring in construction, information technology, professional services, and leisure and hospitality industries.

    [...]

    In sectors such as in retail and hospitality, some employers in the region are raising wages for managers in response to recent minimum-wage bumps in Seattle and SeaTac, said Sage Wilson, spokesperson for Working Washington, an advocacy organization.

    Anecdotally, Wilson has heard of employers outside of those cities finding that they must match higher wages to compete for employees. The minimum-wage increases, however, are relatively new and could take years before they significantly impact statewide data.


    ================================================== ================================================== ============

    The state of Washington already has the highest statewide minimum wage in the country -- $9.47 per hour -- and, as The Seattle Times alluded to, the cities of Seattle and SeaTac are in the process of phasing in the highest municipal minimum wages in the country -- $15 per hour. While The Seattle Times reported that it "could take years" before municipal minimum wage increases "significantly impact statewide data" the ADP report undermines right-wing media claims that minimum wage increases are already hurting employers, workers, and local economies.

    Conservative media smears against Seattle's minimum wage increase started soon after the city approved an ordinance raising the minimum wage to $15 over the course of a three- to seven-year period. In July 2015, Fox News' Dan Springer falsely claimed that Seattle was facing "unintended consequences" from the wage increase, with some low-income workers attempting to game the system so as to remain eligible for welfare benefits. In August, the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) used cherry-picked data to claim Seattle's minimum wage increase "has started having a negative effect on restaurant jobs." Fox Business host Stuart Varney echoed AEI's sentiment a month later on his show, weeks after the specific job loss claim had been debunked. Other right-wing outlets, including The Daily Caller and Investor's Business Daily, have combed through municipal jobs data in Seattle to exaggerate alleged side effects of the minimum wage.

    Right-wing media are staunchly opposed to increasing the minimum wage and dedicated to promoting the myth that wage increases result in job losses, despite a wealth of evidence showing that minimum wage increases have a negligible effect on employment.

    http://mediamatters.org/blog/2016/02...laim-th/208644
    Perhaps the Seattle Times should look at how those making more under local minimum wage laws, the ones we were told needed to be higher so people could support themselves, asked for less hours because the higher wages were causing a reduction in handouts.

    http://mynorthwest.com/992/2772284/T...nt-fewer-hours

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    Still waiting for Zipperhead to debate me one on one outside of APP.

    I have a thread waiting for the brilliance he claims to have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evince View Post
    you refuse to do facts



    its like arguing with a full toilet bowl


    stir it your own self turdmaster

    Your fear is duly noted. I just wanted it documented for all to see. The upside for me is that you cannot credibly complain about being thread banned. I have given you a chance to argue your position and you refuse to take it. Any reasonable person would conclude that you are afraid to debate me 1:1

    Don't worry. You are in good company as many liberals are afraid to debate their positions in the light of day because they know deep down that they cannot stand up to scrutiny.

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