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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I already told you this place is not the same, look @ a topo map & get back to me, thnx
    Yes you're right, they don't have nasty bastards there who deliberately set fire to the forests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I already told you this place is not the same, look @ a topo map & get back to me, thnx
    What's to stop controlled burns?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bigdog View Post
    If Newsom believed the so-called "science", WHY didn't he clear out the dead wood and do controlled burns? Why didn't Jerry Brown do anything? Demcorats control the effing State. They've had total control with ONE PARTY RULE for a long time.
    Ah, nearly half the acreage burning is on Federal land, so, tell us there “chiwawa,” who is responsible for “clearing out” dead wood?

    It ain’t about who is responsible, but what is Trump going to do to address the crisis, he approved some help a month ago, but has vanished on the crisis since then, as I said, if it was a similar event in Florida Trump would have been there two days later touring with the First Lady in high heels

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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Ah, nearly half the acreage burning is on Federal land, so, tell us there “chiwawa,” who is responsible for “clearing out” dead wood?

    It ain’t about who is responsible, but what is Trump going to do to address the crisis, he approved some help a month ago, but has vanished on the crisis since then, as I said, if it was a similar event in Florida Trump would have been there two days later touring with the First Lady in high heels
    Problem is if the state won't allow logging and won't permit sawmills on state controlled land, the feds really can't do forest clearing. Worse, the number of sawmills and such for this work has been reduced to near zero in states like California. The lack of state cooperation has a lot to do with the inability of the feds to do healthy forest management.

    What you won't see in California is many of these


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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Ah, nearly half the acreage burning is on Federal land, so, tell us there “chiwawa,” who is responsible for “clearing out” dead wood?

    It ain’t about who is responsible, but what is Trump going to do to address the crisis, he approved some help a month ago, but has vanished on the crisis since then, as I said, if it was a similar event in Florida Trump would have been there two days later touring with the First Lady in high heels
    What percentage of the homes that need protection are on State land, and why have the clairvoyant Newsom or Brown failed to act?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dukkha View Post
    they have completely abandoned forest management.. why?
    Who is they? The federal government controls 57 percent of Californias forest land. How good a job did they do? Just think if Trump did what he said is needed and the fires bypassed his incredible job, he would have a huge point to run on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ExpressLane View Post
    Deadwood from poor forest management beetle kill disease and drought causes the fires. Good forest management can reduce the fuel that feed the fires. That reduces their intensity and makes them more manageable.
    But that doesn’t sound as exotic as climate change lol.

    Progressive like to sound all sciencey and stuff. And invoke phrases like ‘the global science community’ when all they need is a garden variety forester to tell them about this wonderful invention called ‘controlled burns’.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Text Drivers are Killers View Post
    The fires are deliberately set by Burn Loot Murder.

    The $50 billion newsom gives to illegal aliens every year should have gone to fire mitigation.
    TRUMP has incited RIGHT WING EXTREMISTS to burn California, Washington, and OREGON to the ground.

    BECAUSE HE CAN'T WIN IN THOSE BLUE STATES AND HAS BEEN INCITING HATRED AGAINST THEM!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    To the global scientific community, the acres of scorched earth and ash-filled skies across the American West are the tragic, but predictable, result of accelerating climate change. Nearly two years ago, federal government scientists concluded that greenhouse gas emissions from burning fossil fuels could triple the frequency of severe fires across the Western states.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/13/u...gtype=Homepage
    Arson is not "Climate Change".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Micawber View Post
    I was with my Nor Cal buddies. They all know this is the new normal until climate change is addressed with a serious global and consistent effort.
    They also comment that anyone not feeling effect yet will, no matter where you are. Your shameful joy will just be shame.
    Define "climate change"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    Arson is not "Climate Change".
    No, but the speed in which it spreads and the devastation is Climate Change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    No, but the speed in which it spreads and the devastation is Climate Change.
    The non-management of forests is not "climate change".

    Define "climate change".

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfm7175 View Post
    The non-management of forests is not "climate change".

    Define "climate change".
    Look, covid19 is a hoax. Climate change is a hoax. I am not debating morons.

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    The increased frequency and ferocity of the fires- in the USA and Australia to name but two- are as a direct result of climate change in producing conditions conducive to fires. Every modern school-kid knows that.
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