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    Quote Originally Posted by Damocles View Post
    This could only be true if the words "the people" mean something different in this one sentence than it does in every other part of the document, and you and I both know that isn't true.

    In the language of today it basically says: Because the government can call on an armed group of folks at will (currently a standing army, back then an armed militia), the right of the citizens to keep and bear arms cannot be infringed.
    Third - 'of the people'
    IS a prepositional phrase.
    It starts with a preposition and ends with a noun.
    It CANNOT be the subject of a sentence.

    Rules of the English language.

    https://www.chompchomp.com/terms/pre...onalphrase.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    That was written in 1956.
    Doesn't matter.
    It is still the law in this regard.



    Why do you say 2'nd instead of 2nd?
    Habit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    Doesn't matter.
    It is still the law in this regard.
    So? We are talking about the 2nd Amendment as written in 1776.

    What does "unorganized militia" even mean? It doesn't explain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So? We are talking about the 2nd Amendment as written in 1776.

    What does "unorganized militia" even mean? It doesn't explain.
    Quit being mean to McRickets. You're confusing the kid.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    So? We are talking about the 2nd Amendment as written in 1776.

    What does "unorganized militia" even mean? It doesn't explain.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903
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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    If you just read the OP...that explains it.
    TL; DR OP

    Jesus fucking Christ, the Second Amendment was one paragraph. Your version looks like something a high school junior would write for extra credit.
    Maybe you'll learn succinctness in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by McRocket View Post
    If you just read the OP...that explains it.
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

    That's pretty clear by itself. No law passed in 1956 will change that.

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    That's also clear. It's TWO separate things and can be associated with each other.

    A small community can form a small militia in case SHTF according to the 2nd Amendment.

    When our government collapses, who do we rely on?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

    That's pretty clear by itself. No law passed in 1956 will change that.

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    That's also clear. It's TWO separate things and can be associated with each other.

    A small community can form a small militia in case SHTF according to the 2nd Amendment.

    When our government collapses, who do we rely on?
    Agreed. A militia addresses concerns protecting the autonomy and security of each state plus the concern about Federal overreach. It was a given that citizens had a right to self-defense, but since a militia required firearms, they put the firearms in writing.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

    That's pretty clear by itself. No law passed in 1956 will change that.

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    That's also clear. It's TWO separate things and can be associated with each other.

    A small community can form a small militia in case SHTF according to the 2nd Amendment.

    When our government collapses, who do we rely on?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militia_Act_of_1903

    https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbc0001...pam90993/?sp=2

    'The Militia Act of 1903

    'The first section reiterates the law of 1793, that the militia shall consist of every able-bodied citizen between eighteen and forty-five, and divides the militia into two classes — the organized militia or National Guard, and the unorganized or reserve militia.
    The third section defines the " organized militia " as the regu- larly enlisted, organized, and uniformed militia which shall here- after participate in the annual militia appropriation (heretofore only one million a year). It gives the President authority to fix the minimum number of enlisted men in each company.''
    https://archive.org/details/jstor-25...ge/n1/mode/2up


    And saying that nothing passed since the 2nd Amendment was written can change or clarify what what the latter mean?
    Come on now?
    You cannot actually believe that?
    I thought you were smarter than that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    TL; DR OP

    Jesus fucking Christ, the Second Amendment was one paragraph. Your version looks like something a high school junior would write for extra credit.
    Maybe you'll learn succinctness in college.
    Maybe you will learn what 'trolling' means?

    Why don't you go and feed your cats?

    That is one thing I assume you are good at.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AProudLefty View Post
    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State

    That's pretty clear by itself. No law passed in 1956 will change that.

    the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    That's also clear. It's TWO separate things and can be associated with each other.

    A small community can form a small militia in case SHTF according to the 2nd Amendment.

    When our government collapses, who do we rely on?
    Depends on who has control of the big toys. A little gun isn’t going to do much against a drone.

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    I'd be impressed if you could explain in a clear and concise manner what that link means in support of your position. TIA but I won't hold my breath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. A militia addresses concerns protecting the autonomy and security of each state plus the concern about Federal overreach. It was a given that citizens had a right to self-defense, but since a militia required firearms, they put the firearms in writing.
    To me it's pretty clear that the militia and the people are one and the same. If "the people" want to organize a militia, they are free to do so. They are not a threat to the government.

    In a nutshell, the militia are the people and the people are the militia.

    Tell me if I am wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    Depends on who has control of the big toys. A little gun isn’t going to do much against a drone.
    Trust me the militias will be supplied with the right toys.

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