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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Read the whole story.

    Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    Over the weekend, the workers were in limbo. Outagamie County Circuit Court Judge Mark McGinnis had granted the former employer's request for a temporary injunction preventing the workers from taking up their new jobs. But he didn't order them to keep working at their original jobs.

    On Monday, after a hearing at which some of the workers were scheduled to testify, McGinnis lifted the injunction, leaving the workers free to take up their new posts.

    In issuing the injunction Friday, McGinnis had acknowledged that keeping the seven workers off duty is far from ideal. "To me, that is a poor result for everyone involved," McGinnis said.

    He asked the two employers to work out a deal between themselves, but that didn't happen.

    The conflict involved seven members of an 11-member cardiovascular team providing urgent care to stroke victims at ThedaCare Regional Medical Center in Neenah, Wis., about an hour south of Green Bay.

    ThedaCare says that when the workers, who include technicians and nurses, all took jobs at nearby St. Elizabeth Hospital, that impaired its ability to provide round-the-clock care for stroke patients, who might have to be transferred to hospitals in Green Bay or Milwaukee, even farther away. St. Elizabeth is operated by Ascension, a 142-hospital national Catholic healthcare system.

    ThedaCare's application for an injunction accused Ascension of an effort to "poach" the workers. The institution said in a statement that Ascension refused to work out a transition timetable. ThedaCare sought the injunction to "provide time" to replace the workers.

    Ascension said in a statement that it "did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees," but that they applied for posted job openings. "It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."

    Timothy Breister, one of the workers, told McGinnis by letter that Ascension had job openings that were better "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance."

    The seven workers say they all applied on their own initiative. They asked ThedaCare to match the offers, but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," Breister wrote.
    Thedacare didn't want to pay a fair wage and lost their workers. Tough shit to 'em.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    most companies are at will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Thedacare didn't want to pay a fair wage and lost their workers. Tough shit to 'em.
    Salty Walty didn't think you needed to know that.

    Guess why.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    Thedacare didn't want to pay a fair wage and lost their workers. Tough shit to 'em.
    Which is how it will end up, more than likely.
    TRUMP WILL TAKE FORTY STATES...UNLESS THE SAME IDIOTS WHO BROUGHT US THE 2020 DUNCE-O-CRAT IOWA CLUSTERFUCK CONTINUE THEIR SEDITIOUS ACTIVITIES...THEN HE WILL WIN EVEN MORE ..UNLESS THE RED CHINESE AND DNC COLLUDE, USE A PANDEMIC, AND THEN THE DEMOCRATS VIOLATE ARTICLE II OF THE CONSTITUTION, TO FACILLITATE MILLIONS OF ILLEGAL, UNVETTED, MAIL IN BALLOTS IN THE DARK OF NIGHT..


    De Oppresso Liber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Just to be clear, the judge lifted the restraining order today.
    So, two whole days between jobs?

    And they were Saturday and Sunday!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokmaster View Post
    Which is how it will end up, more than likely.
    One of the workers said so.



    Timothy Breister, one of the workers, told McGinnis by letter that Ascension had job openings that were better "not just in pay but also a better work/life balance."

    The seven workers say they all applied on their own initiative. They asked ThedaCare to match the offers, but ThedaCare declined, stating that "the long term expense to ThedaCare was not worth the short term cost," Breister wrote.

    Ascension said in a statement that it "did not initiate the recruitment of the ThedaCare employees," but that they applied for posted job openings. "It is Ascension Wisconsin’s understanding that ThedaCare had an opportunity but declined to make competitive counter offers to retain its former employees."

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTQ64 View Post
    slaves!!!!!!.its how racist white american men operate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Wait, people aren't allowed to quit?

    That's odd, because Mark McGinnis only granted a temporary order, and then he lifted it.
    I already mentioned that the judge backed off, and lifted it. He used it as a threat to try to get the new employer to collude with the old employer on salaries.

    If you really wanted to catch me on a mistake. Technically, the judge could not ban the workers from quitting, but actually from starting a new job. He believed he did have the right to ban these people from working, but not the right to keep them working. By stopping them from working for anyone else, he would certainly think they would have to work for their old employer, or starve.

    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    BTW, isn't Mark McGinnis a DEMOCRAT?
    Neither of us know, but you are "just asking a question." That is the way FoxNews has taught you to lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Dillon View Post
    That's pretty bad. The employer should be sued and investigated by the Feds.

    Thedacare provided a toxic work environment, they can kick rocks.
    Matt and I agree. If an employer cannot keep their employees, they should not be allowed to turn to the courts to force people to work for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    He used it as a threat to try to get the new employer to collude with the old employer on salaries.
    Who told you that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    If an employer cannot keep their employees, they should not be allowed to turn to the courts to force people to work for them.
    So access to the courts for all isn't an essential right in American jurisprudence?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    So, two whole days between jobs?

    And they were Saturday and Sunday!
    The same people who are against waiting periods for guns, are perfectly OK with a judge banning people from working for an indefinite amount of time, because it was ended in two days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    By stopping them from working for anyone else, he would certainly think they would have to work for their old employer, or starve.
    Over a two-day weekend?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    The same people who are against waiting periods for guns, are perfectly OK with a judge banning people from working for an indefinite amount of time, because it was ended in two days.


    Conflation is not a good look for you, but what is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Walt View Post
    Neither of us know, but you are "just asking a question."
    Fun fact: McGinnis ran unopposed to retain his seat in Outagamie County, Wisconsin, where the county executive is a DEMOCRAT. What are the odds?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Nelson_(Wisconsin_politician)

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