Althea (06-29-2022), gemini104104 (06-30-2022), Guno צְבִי (06-29-2022), Phantasmal (06-29-2022), signalmankenneth (06-29-2022), ThatOwlWoman (06-29-2022)
Putin claimed the fear of NATO was one reason for invading the Ukraine. That has now led to Finland and Sweden joining NATO. Looks like Putin's plan backfired.
Althea (06-29-2022), gemini104104 (06-30-2022), Guno צְבִי (06-29-2022), Phantasmal (06-29-2022), signalmankenneth (06-29-2022), ThatOwlWoman (06-29-2022)
what a pathetic thread title. Ukraine is the existential threat to Russian redlines
Any NATO movement on Russia would be thru Poland thru Ukraine, not the Baltics or Sweden
NATO promised Ukraine membership in 2008, we meddled in the Maidan, and Kyiv (but not Donbas) became increasingly hostile to Russia
Remember what the war is all about in terms of geopolitics - getting that buffer to NATO
and taking Donbas while establishing a land route to Crimea is the goal for Putin
Doesnt matter, Finland already had a robust defense.. The problem was always NATO expansion
and specifically west defacto expansin into Ukraine.
adding Sweden and Finland doesnt really change anything.
Ukraine is losing 1000x a day, Zelensky is still calling for more, so the pulverization of Uk continues
We are at war with Russia, im amazed Putin hasn't used thermobaric weapons in response
BartenderElite (06-29-2022)
Had to figure one of the Putin apologists would be all over this...
Althea (06-29-2022), Guno צְבִי (06-29-2022), ThatOwlWoman (06-29-2022)
BartenderElite (06-29-2022), Guno צְבִי (06-29-2022)
Guno צְבִי (06-29-2022)
you are so damned dumb you dont understand any geopolitics. What good does NATO expansion , demonization of Putin do for the west? It's counterproductive. It just drives Russia and China into a military block
Obama was smart enough to try a Russian reset, Trump would have as well (he campaigned on it)
but Trump was hobbled by the Russian hoax.
Biden had a chance to stop the war by taking the Lavrov letters (Russian redlines) at face value.
He didn't- so here we are.
Bigdog (06-29-2022)
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
dukkha (06-29-2022)
"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."
— Joe Biden on Obama.
Socialism is just the modern word for monarchy.
D.C. has become a Guild System with an hierarchy and line of accession much like the Royal Court or priestly classes.
Private citizens are perfectly able of doing a better job without "apprenticing".
loss estimates are all over the place Zelnsky says 200x a day, but also says Russia has lost 40k
both are no doubt low and high
Ukraine suffering up to 1,000 casualties per day in Donbas, MP says
https://www.yahoo.com/video/ukraine-...124800693.html
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