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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Nope. No dictionary defines any word. No dictionary owns any word. Dictionaries are used to standardize spelling and pronunciation, and give examples of how a word is used, but they do not define any word.

    People define words. It's what makes a language 'live' and ever changing. They are used to communicate ideas. People define words, collectively. The study of where a word comes from is a hobby of mine, called etymology.

    Some words, like 'science', 'religion', 'reality', etc. are defined by philosophical arguments. Some words are defined as specialist lingo in a trade, a branch of knowledge, or a cultural environment, such as 'mathematics', 'logic', 'volt', 'ampere', 'matrix', or 'liftoff', 'you', 'me', 'food', 'drink'. Some are define as constructs for a language, such as 'and', 'but', 'or', 'because'.

    But no dictionary defined any of them. These words existed long before dictionaries themselves, and will exist even if every dictionary was destroyed.

    A book is not a language. A language is not a book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by archives View Post
    Dictionaries don't define laws, Science doesn't exist, facts aren't facts, the Gov't is illegal, geocentric model has never been invalidated, everything is a fallacy, and if you request any proof you have to google it yourself

    Got to admit the guy is entertaining
    This guy is a sock that I can’t put my finger on. The absurd claim that dictionaries don’t provide definitions of words has been used by someone else in the past, but I can’t recall who.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Like the Constitution--ever changing to apply to new circumstances not specifically covered before.
    the constitution does not give the government that power to adapt to 'new circumstances'.........that is up to the authors. we the people.
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    A living document does not require what "framers or commentators" thought at the time.
    which is why the constitution is not a living document
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by domer76 View Post
    This guy is a sock that I can’t put my finger on. The absurd claim that dictionaries don’t provide definitions of words has been used by someone else in the past, but I can’t recall who.
    Your mom?

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    jimmymccready A living document does not require what "framers or commentators" thought at the time.

    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    which is why the constitution is not a living document
    Yes, the Constitution is a living document, that's why arguments against fail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Yurt View Post
    Your mom?
    So James M. (your old buddy Edward T.) is your twin brother from different fathers?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    jimmymccready A living document does not require what "framers or commentators" thought at the time.

    Yes, the Constitution is a living document, that's why arguments against fail.
    you are incorrect. the constitution is a static, legal document that restricts the federal government and can only be changed by it's authors, we the people
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Not completely so. SCOTUS overrode D.C.'s banning of hand guns, e.g. Your opinion is not law, Flash.
    Yes, the exception is a complete ban although at the time that only applied to federal legislation and not the states.

    But those regulations advocated by gun-control supporters are possible and exist in various forms in many states. My point was that all the debate over the 2nd Amendment's interpretation is an interesting academic debate but does prevent most of those laws gun control people imply are being prevented by that interpretation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    the constitution does not give the government that power to adapt to 'new circumstances'.........that is up to the authors. we the people.
    But the people don't change constitutional interpretation---only the federal courts do so. The people didn't decide in the recent case that partisan gerrymandering does not violate the Constitution--it was a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling.

    You are one of "we the people"--how did you influence that decision?

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    Of course the Constitution, through SCOTUS or the amendment process, adapts to new circumstances.

    To suggest that it is "static" is barking mad and leads to political insanity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    But the people don't change constitutional interpretation---only the federal courts do so.
    they do not have the constitutional power to do that

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    The people didn't decide in the recent case that partisan gerrymandering does not violate the Constitution--it was a 5-4 Supreme Court ruling.
    state redistricting issues are not within the purview of the federal court system. That is for the states/people alone to decide.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    You are one of "we the people"--how did you influence that decision?
    In Texas? I voted Libertarian. that is the only influence allowed, not having the federal court usurp power that doesn't belong to them
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    Of course the Constitution, through SCOTUS or the amendment process, adapts to new circumstances.
    That is not a power that SCOTUS has. they have no constitutional authority to redefine the constitution

    Quote Originally Posted by jimmymccready View Post
    To suggest that it is "static" is barking mad and leads to political insanity.
    allowing the government to redefine it's powers and limitations is the insanity. it's the death of freedom.

    the government was not made the exclusive or final judge of the extent of the powers delegated to itself. - thomas jefferson
    A sad commentary on we, as a people, and our viewpoint of our freedom can be summed up like this. We have liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans, yet those very people look at Constitutionalists as radical and extreme.................so those liberals and conservatives, Democrats and Republicans must believe that the constitution is radical and extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmarterthanYou View Post
    they do not have the constitutional power to do that

    state redistricting issues are not within the purview of the federal court system. That is for the states/people alone to decide.
    Yet, they have been doing so for 200+ years. It seems to be established law by now and the "we, the people" obviously accept it because we have done nothing to change it.

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    One can argue that SCOTUS has no constitutional mandate to interpret the Constitution in the light of the times, and that is their opinion, a wrong one.

    Thomas Jefferson had his opinion, too, a decidedly minority one that has had little impact historically on the issue.
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