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On January 8, 2018, U.S. District Court Judge Gloria Navarro dismissed with prejudice the criminal charges against Cliven Bundy, his sons Ammon and Ryan, and co-defendant Ryan Payne regarding the standoff.
In the end they won. While some who participated were convicted of crimes and "time served" the reality is, the central figures in this mess, won. They even filed lawsuits... though that hasn't settled yet my guess is they are likely to win there too.
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Why aren't you paying attention? Mass killers wouldn't pay attention to what? Anyone seen in public with one of these weapons, will have it taken away. The idea is to make it illegal to walk around in public with a banned weapon. When it isn't commonplace, mass killers will be easy to spot. They'll also be susceptible to traffic stops.
Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
Ummmm...no. It's Wiki, so you are free to correct it.
By February 11, all of the militants had surrendered or withdrawn from the occupation, with several leaders having been arrested after leaving the site; one of them, Robert LaVoy Finicum, was shot and killed during an attempt to arrest him after he reached toward a handgun concealed in his pocket[29][30] after he tried to evade a roadblock;
Ryan Bundy was wounded. More than two dozen of the militants were charged with federal offenses including conspiracy to obstruct federal officers, firearms violations, theft, and depredation of federal property. By August 2017, a dozen had pleaded guilty, and six of those had been sentenced to 1–2 years probation, some including house arrest. Seven others, including Ammon and Ryan Bundy, were tried and acquitted of all federal charges. Five more had been found guilty and were sentenced months later.
Seven of the militants saw prison time for their roles in the occupation.
Jake Ryan and Duane Ehmer each received 366 days in prison, with Ryan additionally getting three years of supervised probation.
Darryl Thorn received 18 months of prison time on November 21, 2017.[31]
Jason Patrick received 21 months on February 15, 2018.
Ryan Payne was sentenced to 37 months in federal prison along with three years of supervision on February 27, 2018.
Jon Ritzheimer was sentenced to 366 days in federal prison and another 12 months in a residential re-entry program.
Corey Lequieu was sentenced to 30 months in prison and three years of supervision. Two others, Joe O’Shaughnessy and Brian Cavalier, were detained for at least a year, but released on time served plus three years of supervision each, plus fines.[32]
Perhaps we'll see quite a few instances of those you speak of being shot and killed as they attempt to take on the govt.
Eventually, we'll have fewer mass shootings. Natural selection, as it were.
Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
As I stated, some got time served, but the central figures, won. Their charges were dismissed.
That you wish to continue presenting what I said while pretending it doesn't say that doesn't change the reality. After Cliven's charges were dismissed the Feds moved to dismiss the rest of the charges as well, however one guy who had already been convicted did get 14 years, the rest that were already convicted but not yet sentenced all got time served or parole.
Ryan Bundy, who was with his father, is suing. Though that lawsuit is not yet complete.
What we "will have" is only people who know they have no possibility of winning saying dumb things like they'll send cops to take away guns... (Kamala) or that they'll magically get rid of guns in some magical way by "buying back"...
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
Disclaimer: I have not read all the responses to the OP. I have the OP author on ignore.
My guess is that the vast majority of our faux-patriots/wannabe-Rambos will meekly turn them over rather than face either being shot, or arrested, then loss of job/income while incarcerated, which of course would be followed by poverty and loss of family.
Of course this will never happen, but a fun speculation anyways.
"Conservatism is the blind and fear-filled worship of dead radicals." -- Mark Twain
Excellence is an art won by training and habituation. We do not act rightly because we have virtue or excellence, but rather we have those because we have acted rightly. We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act but a habit.
- -- Aristotle
Believe nothing on the faith of traditions, even though they have been held in honor for many generations and in diverse places. Do not believe a thing because many people speak of it. Do not believe on the faith of the sages of the past. Do not believe what you yourself have imagined, persuading yourself that a God inspires you. Believe nothing on the sole authority of your masters and priests. After examination, believe what you yourself have tested and found to be reasonable, and conform your conduct thereto.
- -- The Buddha
It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
- -- Aristotle
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RINO is the term for that rare Republican who puts country above party.
Right wing = lie, lie, and lie some more.
"When I am president I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to play golf" Donald J. Trump, world class snake oil salesman and compulsive golfer August 2016
The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
RINO is the term for that rare Republican who puts country above party.
Right wing = lie, lie, and lie some more.
"When I am president I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to play golf" Donald J. Trump, world class snake oil salesman and compulsive golfer August 2016
The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
RINO is the term for that rare Republican who puts country above party.
Right wing = lie, lie, and lie some more.
"When I am president I'm going to be working for you. I'm not going to have time to play golf" Donald J. Trump, world class snake oil salesman and compulsive golfer August 2016
The definition of "racist" as "anyone who is white" is itself racist.
Originally Posted by Colin Powell
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