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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Wrong approach.

    The logistics of testing ‘everyone’ approaches impossible. The labs couldn’t couldn’t keep up with it and by the time the results got out it wouldn’t only provide a snap shot of infections from weeks earlier.

    Serum antibody tests are more accurate and they pick up *past infections*. And it can be done the same way they gather polling data. Statisticians can figure out the details so there’s no reason to test everyone.

    Antibody tests are the only way to get an accurate CFR. We’re months into this and still taking guesses at it. Though preliminary antibody studies are pointing to a low COVID mortality rate. Not just one or two of them—all of them point to a low COVID CFR.

    A lot more people have had the COVID virus than was assumed/guessed at. Apparently, a very great many of them are still up and walking around.

    And this is wonderful news for several reasons.
    I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.
    Surely at some point the experts will produce!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    I'm not holding my breath for antibody testing for all. We can't even get current infection testing for all. I agree that it would be awesome if testing shows that most of a given population have antibodies and no ill effects.
    Well, prepare yourself for awesomeness because it’s probably coming lol.

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    Hello ThatOwlWoman,

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Without knowing what the infection rate in a given population is, we cannot calculate the R0 value or the death rate. We would be a perfect lab for testing *everyone* up here, or almost everyone. We have some off-grid wilderness folk who probably wouldn't be interested, but it would be a good place to test a pop. in a particular geographic location.
    It must be an insurmountable challenge to have mobile testing units roam the region to accomplish that task.
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    PoliTalker:

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    Take DT down with you.

    McCarthy said if you like this economy you must vote not to impeach.

    As if that had anything to do with guilt or innocence.

    Are we to now believe that if the corona virus hit the stock market earlier that DT would have been convicted?"


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    Hello Frank Apisa,

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    I agree Poli...but working all that into a line like: "In fact, that's what it is: A fool fooling a bunch of fools" woulda been too difficult.
    I believe it is worth the effort.

    Some things deserve more than a soundbyte. And with our 140 character mindset, valuable detail is lost. Over simplification leads to believing the BS, dehumanizing the other side, which prompts them to do the same thing to us. The result is increased polarization and rampant dysfunction preventing the USA from moving forward and holding us back as problems escalate. That just doesn't work for America.
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    PoliTalker:

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    McCarthy said if you like this economy you must vote not to impeach.

    As if that had anything to do with guilt or innocence.

    Are we to now believe that if the corona virus hit the stock market earlier that DT would have been convicted?"


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    Hello Darth,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Wrong approach.

    The logistics of testing ‘everyone’ approaches impossible. The labs couldn’t couldn’t keep up with it and by the time the results got out it wouldn’t only provide a snap shot of infections from weeks earlier.

    Serum antibody tests are more accurate and they pick up *past infections*. And it can be done the same way they gather polling data. Statisticians can figure out the details so there’s no reason to test everyone.

    Antibody tests are the only way to get an accurate CFR. We’re months into this and still taking guesses at it. Though preliminary antibody studies are pointing to a low COVID mortality rate. Not just one or two of them—all of them point to a low COVID CFR.

    A lot more people have had the COVID virus than was assumed/guessed at. Apparently, a very great many of them are still up and walking around.

    And this is wonderful news for several reasons.
    And tragic news for the ones they infected unknowingly who died, and for their loved ones grieving the loss.
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    Hello Darth Omar,

    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Omar View Post
    Well, prepare yourself for awesomeness because it’s probably coming lol.

    We don’t need ‘most’ we just need a significant number.
    That significant number is around 10%.

    We are at 2%.

    We are asking/ordering meat packers to go back to work and we can't even test them all!

    One would think if they are such vital workers we would place a higher value on their well being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Darth Omar,



    That significant number is around 10%.

    We are at 2%.

    We are asking/ordering meat packers to go back to work and we can't even test them all!

    One would think if they are such vital workers we would place a higher value on their well being.
    Wendys is already in shortage, McD's is next....

    Starvation is not fun!
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    Hello Hawkeye10,

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawkeye10 View Post
    Wendys is already in shortage, McD's is next....

    Starvation is not fun!
    There are other places to eat, better sources of nutrition. Grocery stores actually have food that is ready to eat. Example: A can of oysters is priced lower than a Big Mac. There are almost limitless options for food. It would behoove those who are hooked on fast food to expand their horizons. It would be healthier. Eating better would make America healthier, and thus reduce the cost of health care.

    I remember being in a grocery store and seeing the empty meat displays, then looking around the store and realizing there is plenty to eat, but it just might not be the selections we want.

    How did America become so wimpy? I have heard the stories of all the sacrifices made during WWII. You just couldn't get things. Things were rationed. If you didn't have a ration allotment you were not allowed to buy the needed things. The whole nation was mobilized to fight the threat. Buy US bonds, grow a victory garden, use a bicycle, conserve gasoline, copper, and tires. There were even steel pennies! Make do and do without. Repurpose, reuse, recycle. We need to just buck up, accept the challenges, and persevere. We are strong. We can kick this bug's ass. We are humans. We shall prevail. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

    It is unconscionable (and dumb) to demand meat packers go back to work, and to say that anybody who wants a test can get one, and not have 100% testing of meat packers. Sanitize the meat packing houses, test the workers 100%, problem solved.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Hawkeye10,



    There are other places to eat, better sources of nutrition. Grocery stores actually have food that is ready to eat. Example: A can of oysters is priced lower than a Big Mac. There are almost limitless options for food. It would behoove those who are hooked on fast food to expand their horizons. It would be healthier. Eating better would make America healthier, and thus reduce the cost of health care.

    I remember being in a grocery store and seeing the empty meat displays, then looking around the store and realizing there is plenty to eat, but it just might not be the selections we want.

    How did America become so wimpy? I have heard the stories of all the sacrifices made during WWII. You just couldn't get things. Things were rationed. If you didn't have a ration allotment you were not alloweed to buy the needed things. The whole nation was mobilized to fight the threat. Buy US bonds, grow a victory garden, use a bicycle, conserve gasoline, copper, and tires. There were even steel pennies! Make do and do without. Repurpose, reuse, recycle. We need to just buck up, accept the challenges, and persevere. We are strong. We can kick this bug's ass. We are humans. We shall prevail. The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.

    It is unconscionable (and dumb) to demand meat packers go back to work, and to say that anybody who wants a test can get one, and not have 100% testing of meat packers. Sanitize the meat packing houses, test the workers 100%, problem solved.
    Curl up and die if that is what you need to do..I have a different idea.

    In my world the work must get done.

    Because I am not a moron.
    I choose my own words like the Americans of olden times........before this dystopia arrived.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Frank Apisa,



    I believe it is worth the effort.

    Some things deserve more than a soundbyte. And with our 140 character mindset, valuable detail is lost. Over simplification leads to believing the BS, dehumanizing the other side, which prompts them to do the same thing to us. The result is increased polarization and rampant dysfunction preventing the USA from moving forward and holding us back as problems escalate. That just doesn't work for America.
    It was a joke.

    Look the word up...then get back to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    It was a joke.

    Look the word up...then get back to me.
    My old friend Frank....demanding to stand upon the definition of words.....PRICELESS!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    Tests per 1 million population, we are not even in the top 30 countries. So that BS about us being 'the best at testing' is just that.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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