Short tutorial on herd immunity for the unenlightened

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Too bloody right, this will be viewed in the future as one of the craziest periods in history.

The Coronavirus lockdown is one of the biggest mistakes in the history of this country

As I write this, 1.6% of the U.S. population have tested positive for Coronavirus— 5.2 million out of our 330 million people. This figure probably shocks most people, because the mainstream media has tried as hard as possible to make this pandemic seem far worse than it actually is. Every day there are repeated news reports about passing another “grim milestone”. Over 166,000 have died with their deaths being attributed to the virus.

However, there have been numerous reports that many, possibly even most, of these deaths have been with “comorbidities” that could have been the primary cause. Age could also have been the main factor in many of the deaths, with some countries reporting twthirds of the deceased being over 70 and many over 80. Having had deaths in my own family (although not from the virus), I am certainly not making light of these deaths. Every day, in the U.S., approximately 8,000 people die, and every death is sad, tragic, or even horrible. Yet the best news about this virus is that well over 90% who have tested positive recover without medicines designed to treat it (or a vaccine designed to prevent it).

In the 1957-58 flu season, when I was 10 years old, the world was hit by another pandemic which also originated in China. It was called the Asian Flu, and 1.1 million died from it, with 116,000 of those deaths being in the U.S. That would be the equivalent of 220,000 U.S. deaths now due to or much higher current population. Nothing was shut down then. No mayors or governors were holding daily Asian Flu news conferences. There were not constant, 24-hour news reports about the numbers dying or testing positive.

The news readers on MSNBC and CNN can barely suppress their glee at reporting new hotspots and big increases in the numbers dying or testing positive, especially if they are in so-called red states with Republican governors. Because of their absolute virulent hatred for President Trump, they are also eager to report bad economic news and seemingly grimace when they have to report that the stock market has gone up once again.

Blue state governors and mayors are doing as much as they can to keep things shut down and acting very heroic or holier than thou in doing so. It is pretty obvious, though, that almost all who want to keep businesses closed and schools shut are people who are still drawing their paychecks or pensions. They don’t seem to realize that this can’t go on much longer without even those checks or pensions cut back or stopped altogether. And if the Congress keeps voting to spend money like the worst drunken sailors in history, inflation will just about wipe out those checks and pensions anyway.

The saddest thing about this virus, without question, is the number of people who have died and who have become seriously ill. However, it is also very sad that so many thousands of small businesses have been forced to shut down, a very significant number of which will never be able to re-open. And it is especially unfair that so many big giants have been allowed to stay open, even seeing big increases in business they have gotten from the little guys that are no longer open.

All businesses, large and small, should have been allowed to stay open. Were it not for the fact that history is often written by the victors, this shutdown would soon be looked back upon as one of the biggest mistakes this country has ever made. Unfortunately, though, the losers in this situation are clearly those who have been made to close.

John J. Duncan, Jr. represented the Second District of Tennessee in the U.S. House for 30 years from 1988 to 2018.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog...s_country.html

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"Herd Immunity" is Conservative code for "I'm too fucking lazy to do anything meaningful so I'm going to abdicate any personal responsibility for the role I played in spreading this disease through my lies and misinformation".

We are not going to get "herd immunity" for this.

Just like hydroxy, sunlight, bleach, plasma, and warm weather, this is another Conservative attempt to dismiss any mitigating actions that need to be taken to contain the spread of the virus.

The only reason we are at this point is because of the lies and misinformation Conservatives have been spreading since the beginning.

Shut the fuck up you whiney obnoxious cunt.

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Too bloody right, this will be viewed in the future as one of the craziest periods in history.

How much has the health of others cost you, Comrade maggot.

[cancel2 2022]

How much has the health of others cost you, Comrade maggot.

Mind your own business, you never ever answer personal questions so you can fuck off as well!

[LV426]

Shut the fuck up you whiney obnoxious cunt.

Eat shit, ratlicker.

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Mind your own business, you never ever answer personal questions so you can fuck off as well!

What an impotent little turd you are.

[Concart]

Herd immunity worked for Smallpox and other shit. This new strain of Covid is something different and unknown.

Herd immunity works very well when there is a vaccine. Because you can become immune without actually having the disease. There is no herd immunity to Covid. Darth is like a truther, a mask denier, and global warming denier rolled into one. He knows more about medicine than the doctors, he knows more about science than the scientist. Man, West Virginia must have a shitty educational system.

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Herd immunity works very well when there is a vaccine. Because you can become immune without actually having the disease. There is no herd immunity to Covid. Darth is like a truther, a mask denier, and global warming denier rolled into one. He knows more about medicine than the doctors, he knows more about science than the scientist. Man, West Virginia must have a shitty educational system.

Only the truly ignorant, for which you are a perfect exemplar, invokes 'the scientists' to back their case. As soon as someone does that you know they are about to spout pure bullshit. Here is an eminent scientist who says you above your paygrade, ignorant peasant

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-he...-than-thought/

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Only the truly ignorant, for which you are a perfect exemplar, invokes 'the scientists' to back their case. As soon as someone does that you know they are about to spout pure bullshit. Here is an eminent scientist who says you above your paygrade, ignorant peasant

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-he...-than-thought/

Another brilliant analysis by the Lord of Cretins.

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Herd immunity works very well when there is a vaccine. Because you can become immune without actually having the disease. There is no herd immunity to Covid. Darth is like a truther, a mask denier, and global warming denier rolled into one. He knows more about medicine than the doctors, he knows more about science than the scientist. Man, West Virginia must have a shitty educational system.

stupidity on display.
do some damned research for once.The body produced antibodies for COVID just like any other virus.. start there.

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Epidemiologists call the level where the epidemic ends the “herd immunity” threshold. Herd immunity does not mean that the virus has completely disappeared, only that it can no longer infect a critical mass of people and become an epidemic again.

Figuring out when a virus has reached herd immunity is very tricky, even trickier than estimating the death rate. It depends heavily on the virus’s reproduction number, or R — how many people one infected person infects in turn.

The higher the R, the more quickly a virus will spread, and the more people must be infected before the epidemic breaks. Coronavirus seemed at first to be highly contagious, and most scientists initially believed that 60 percent to 80 percent of people might need to be infected before herd immunity was reached.

But the R for the coronavirus seems to vary wildly at different times and places. Also, some people may have some pre-existing immunity because of their exposure to other coronaviruses.

A growing number of scientists believe the threshold for herd immunity may be much lower. Some predict it might be 40 percent. Others say it could be as low as 20 percent — meaning that the epidemic will burn out after only 1 in 5 people is infected with and recovers from the virus.

And real-world evidence — from Sweden, from Sunbelt states like Arizona, and now from the Brazilian city of Manaus — provides very encouraging evidence that the immunity threshold may be well below 50 percent. Sweden, Arizona and Manaus don’t have much in common, but in all of them the epidemic burned out relatively quickly, without hard lockdowns, and after a relatively low number of people were infected based on antibody tests.

If we can actually reach herd immunity after 40 percent or less of the population is infected, far fewer people will die than the early forecasts, even without lockdowns. And if the best-case estimates of 20 percent or less are correct, we may be closer to the end than the beginning of the coronavirus epidemic. It’s still too early to be certain — but maybe for the first time since March, we have real reason to hope.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/25/we-cou...mpression=true
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But NY Post.

This dude Berenson may get a Pulitzer one day for his ‘against the orthodoxy’ reporting on COVID. The reason it’s in the NY Post and not the NYT is because the latter is on COVID Team Orthodoxy. And in a big way.

At any rate, Berenson lays herd immunity out in easily understood lay terms. This is what real journalism looks like. Note the lack of ‘scientists say’.

If you come across an article with sentences prefaced with ‘scientists say’ then the writer either doesn’t know how to report on the subject or they have an agenda. If you want to print an article that favors your own POV, quote only those scientists that agree with said POV and preface sentences with ‘scientists say’. It works like magic on the lemmings.

The left perfected this with climate change. They used the same tactic on HCQ: believe it or not there are doctors—lots of them, who have good reason to think early HCQ intervention is effective vs COVID infections. And doctors are practicing medical science. In short, they are scientists.

So when someone says ‘scientists say’ there is no COVID herd immunity they are either misinformed or they have an agenda. They are basically saying they are only willing to listen to select scientists on the subject.

“DO,” it has already been pointed out to you that Sweden is not working, in one of the sources I included it estimated that even with leading Europe in deaths per capita, after nine months it has only reached an estimated 11% immunity

Bernenson has been a denier form the offset, even as late as early August he still claimed COVID was no worse than the average flu season (https://www.foxnews.com/media/alex-b...s-bad-flu-year), plus he’s selling a book these days

But for fun, use his figures, which most medical personnel would say are low, if we reach immunity when 40% of the population is infected, and, as he claims, only one person dies for every 500 infected, that would mean 330 million times forty percent divided by five hundred. Don’t have a calculator, but using pen and paper, that would mean close to 270,000 Americans would pass hoping it produced herd immunity. And you are willing to gamble on that?

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fucking idiots on the march on this thread -here is MAYO CLINIC- good enough for you??

How is herd immunity achieved?
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/d...-need-to-know/
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection....

[anatta]

This is called a threshold proportion.
If the proportion of the population that is immune to the disease is greater than this threshold, the spread of the disease will decline. This is known as the herd immunity threshold.

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Only the truly ignorant, for which you are a perfect exemplar, invokes 'the scientists' to back their case. As soon as someone does that you know they are about to spout pure bullshit. Here is an eminent scientist who says you above your paygrade, ignorant peasant

https://www.nicholaslewis.org/why-he...-than-thought/

He is not a Scientist, he is a statistician

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fucking idiots on the march on this thread -here is MAYO CLINIC- good enough for you??

How is herd immunity achieved?
https://newsnetwork.mayoclinic.org/d...-need-to-know/
There are two paths to herd immunity for COVID-19 — vaccines and infection....

And they are saying seventy percent of the population have to be infected to achieve the herd immunity this thread is talking about, so the math, that is a lot of dead Americans