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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Sorry Bill but you're just plain wrong, maybe if you read this incredibly insightful Spectator article you might just get woke.

    Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’?
    BENEDICT ROGERS AND JOHNNY PATTERSON

    August 11th 2019 may go down as Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ as police officers bludgeoned and bruised protesters who had taken to the streets. A young woman was hit in the eye by a rubber bullet. A man was pinned to the ground by police, pleading for mercy as his bloodied face was pushed into the concrete. A policeman shot pepper balls at youngsters from point blank range. Another officer pushed protesters off escalators. Videos also emerged of police officers disguised as protesters making arrests. And there were reports of triad gangsters left free to roam the city, beating up unsuspecting demonstrators.

    Hong Kong’s protests started as protests about a single issue, amendments to the city’s extradition law. But ongoing protests reflect a deeper concern: the total collapse of trust in the government and the police force. Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’ entrenches this deep rift. Yet still there is little sign that Hong Kong’s government, or its Chinese counterpart, is prepared to listen. As Beijing has ratcheted up its anti-protest propaganda, the response seems to be simply to hit people harder. This is a mistake that is bound to backfire. After all, neither China nor authorities in Hong Kong benefit from making an enemy of the majority of the city’s population.

    On Monday, posters went up around Hong Kong with the slogan “an eye for an eye”. This is deeply concerning and an escalation of rhetoric which it would be unwise for the Hong Kong public to pursue. But it is also an expression of the anger which has been bubbling in Hong Kong for a long time. As Beijing and the Hong Kong government condemn what has largely been a peaceful community advocating for the extension of civil political rights as ‘extremists’ or even ‘terrorists’, who Carrie Lam claim have ‘no stake in society’, they threaten to permanently alienate a generation.

    There are still opportunities to win back trust. The story of the end of the Northern Irish troubles, another context where ‘Bloody Sunday’ violence backfired, shows that even the most intractable conflicts are reparable. But this will be difficult, and it will require concerted meaningful action from both the Hong Kong government, and international allies of freedom and democracy in Hong Kong.

    The United Kingdom should work with like-minded governments to make clear that Hong Kong’s special treatment is a result of its unique political system and basic freedoms. Boris Johnson recently said that he was with the Hong Kong people “every step of the way.” The PM could show this by insisting on a human rights clause in any future UK-Hong Kong free trade agreement, and by banning the sale of rioting equipment to the Hong Kong Police Force until an independent inquiry into police brutality has taken place and there is evidence of reforms. The situation in Hong Kong has sufficiently deteriorated that an alliance of concerned governments should take action now.

    More importantly, the Hong Kong government could deescalate tensions and restore trust using three concrete steps. First, they must restore trust in the police force: this will only be possible if there is a judge-led independent inquiry into the actions of the police in the last few months. It is not enough for the police to internally investigate their actions: trust in the institution is at rock bottom, and will only be restored if there is an independent investigation.

    Second, the government must restore trust in the legal system: the public order laws that have been used to lock up scores of protesters in recent years are outdated and in urgent need of reform. In 2018, after the young political leader Edward Leung was jailed for six years on ‘rioting charges’, Paddy Ashdown described the Public Order Ordinance as ‘one of Britain’s worst legacies in Hong Kong’. He was right. It must be reformed.

    Finally, the government must restore trust in the political system. This will require the setting out of a plan for democratic reforms. Hong Kong’s leader is currently elected by an ‘Electoral Committee’ of 1,200 people made up of a disproportionately high number of property tycoons. Parliament – the ‘Legislative Council’ – overwhelmingly favours the business classes through the functional constituency system. This ensures that fifty per cent of the seats are determined by members of professional bodies. For trust to be restored, this rigged system must be reformed.

    Benedict Rogers is co-founder and chair of Hong Kong Watch and deputy chair of the Conservative party Human Rights’ Commission. Johnny Patterson is director of Hong Kong Watch

    I'm reading Is there any way back after Hong Kong’s ‘Bloody Sunday’? via the app https://app.spectator.co.uk/2019/08/...y/content.html
    "...and it will require concerted meaningful action from both the Hong Kong government, and international allies of freedom and democracy in Hong Kong."
    ^Yes it will^
    I believe a coalition of international allies will occur once Britain makes the 1st move to resolve the root problem which is that
    China has broken out of the gate before they were supposed to. HK is still within its 50 year period of enjoying certain rights
    and liberties. It's not 2047 yet. China needs to back off and adhere to the signed agreement made between them and
    Great Britain in 1997.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    I don't see how. That was the 'deal'. (The BRITS signed it, what about 75 years (?) ago--but thinking IT WOULD NEVER HAPPEN). I have no idea how effective the 'NATIVE' HONG Kong'rs can be. I doubt their chances are good but it is on every CHANNEL, every newspaper around the world. (I'll assume they are unarmed)

    I don't see how Xi can let it go on too long, might give the Chinese too many ideas. But if he uses FORCE won't the MONEY flee Hong Kong? I'd leave in a heartbeat!



    Please learn about this. Read some history. Watch the video I posted.
    The handover was in 1997. I was there. The agreement stands for 50 years till 2047.
    China is violating the agreement
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Is this not a fly in the ointment of tariff standoffs, not to mention US diplomacy? Sure GOT MY ATTENTION. Did anyone else know this was in the mix?

    With the clock ticking, Beijing appears to be stuck in a holding pattern, even though its officials and state media have steadily dialed up nationalist rhetoric and sounded alarms about the “black hand” of the CIA orchestrating the chaos in Hong Kong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...019/08/06/b6bf

    Alright, I'll ASK the question! Are we?
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    CCTV and CTGN are the state run networks in China and they are pumping out the propaganda like crazy. I watched a couple hours
    of their garbage today. CNN and MSNBC are peanuts compared to those guys.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    Is this not a fly in the ointment of tariff standoffs, not to mention US diplomacy? Sure GOT MY ATTENTION. Did anyone else know this was in the mix?

    With the clock ticking, Beijing appears to be stuck in a holding pattern, even though its officials and state media have steadily dialed up nationalist rhetoric and sounded alarms about the “black hand” of the CIA orchestrating the chaos in Hong Kong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...019/08/06/b6bf

    Alright, I'll ASK the question! Are we?
    I have not seen nor heard anything supporting that...

    I think Stretch has mentioned several times that it is on the Brits to act, & of course they should do so w/ as much allied support as they can muster..

    Why in the world China has decided @ this time to stir the pot is really what I wonder-makes no sense, unless it is a distraction??
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    But if he uses FORCE won't the MONEY flee Hong Kong?
    Watch the 15 minute video I posted. HK isn't the biggest money earner for China.
    Anybody have a cell phone? Anybody vape? It's Shenzhen baby....huuuuuge money city
    that is just over the NW border of the New Territories in Mainland China.
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    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Watch the 15 minute video I posted. HK isn't the biggest money earner for China.
    Anybody have a cell phone? Anybody vape? It's Shenzhen baby....huuuuuge money city
    that is just over the NW border of the New Territories in Mainland China.
    That's true but Hong Kong is a huge financial and shipping hub, the Chinese know that perfectly well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    Watch the 15 minute video I posted. HK isn't the biggest money earner for China.
    Anybody have a cell phone? Anybody vape? It's Shenzhen baby....huuuuuge money city
    that is just over the NW border of the New Territories in Mainland China.
    Centre Loony only reads about stuff in Raw Sewage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    I have not seen nor heard anything supporting that...

    I think Stretch has mentioned several times that it is on the Brits to act, & of course they should do so w/ as much allied support as they can muster..

    Why in the world China has decided @ this time to stir the pot is really what I wonder-makes no sense, unless it is a distraction??
    They've been "infringing" on the 50 year waiting period for more than a few years now. It makes sense. They've been building islands,
    grabbing air space, sea lanes and any property they can in the area. It's sooooo inconvenient for them to have HK in the way of
    further dominance. Xi is getting impatient to get full control. It's up to the Brits to make the 1st move to hold China's feet to the fire on
    their handover agreement made with China back in '97. Once they do, the rest of the world can step in and offer assistance.
    Abortion rights dogma can obscure human reason & harden the human heart so much that the same person who feels
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    pain in abortion.

    Unborn animals are protected in their nesting places, humans are not. To abort something is to end something
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    That's true but Hong Kong is a huge financial and shipping hub, the Chinese know that perfectly well.
    True. I agree. Most all of the world can relate to the financial and shipping hub of HK. And, Beijing wants it and they want it NOW.
    That is some prime real estate stuck out there in water. Nice place for Chinese Naval Base, no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stretch View Post
    True. I agree. Most all of the world can relate to the financial and shipping hub of HK. And, Beijing wants it and they want it NOW.
    That is some prime real estate stuck out there in water. Nice place for Chinese Naval Base, no?
    They already have a huge naval presence in Hainan.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yulin_Naval_Base

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    Is this not a fly in the ointment of tariff standoffs, not to mention US diplomacy? Sure GOT MY ATTENTION. Did anyone else know this was in the mix?

    With the clock ticking, Beijing appears to be stuck in a holding pattern, even though its officials and state media have steadily dialed up nationalist rhetoric and sounded alarms about the “black hand” of the CIA orchestrating the chaos in Hong Kong.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...019/08/06/b6bf

    Alright, I'll ASK the question! Are we?
    goddamn -now you believe Chinese propaganda?

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    He might be your next door neighbour!!

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    America, the UK- and everybody else- sits comfortably back and watches the Izraelis slaughter unarmed Palestinian men, women and children in cold blood - and do nothing. Ziltch. Trump actually rewards them.
    What are the Palestinians protesting about ? OCCUPATION. LIBERTY. SELF-DETERMINATION.

    Anybody thinking that the West is a moral entity facing the immoral Chinese is a half-blind moron.
    This forum is saturated with hypocrites and desktop moralists . They should all understand that there is NO MORAL POSITION for the US to take as long as it supports Izraeli criminality.
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    New Police Regulations Limit Right to Protest in Israel
    Rules exploit what police see as loophole in High Court ruling; gatherings of more than 50 people will require a permit and be subject to strict restrictions


    https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...rael-1.7695131
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