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[Flash]

when it's so significantly involved with corporations and pro corporate agendas, yes it is.

you are confusing economic systems with political systems.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

you are confusing economic systems with political systems.

I disagree.

[Bigdog]

many governments are completely corporately controlled too.

This may be a matter of semantics, ... but do you have a list of examples?

China gives mega corps access to their markets, slave labor, and nearly non-existent environmental legislation. But the corps are not in charge.

[Bigdog]

They were not meant to be a rebuttal but to show what nations do in practice is not necessarily consistent with the economic philosophy they pretend to follow. It also shows any increased success of their economies is due to following more of a market economy with more private ownership. Distribution may mean retail outlets but many of those retail outlets are not state owned. For example, Alibaba is a private, for profit, company. Competition among different state owned enterprises creates a type of market economy. Locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit.

Socialist capitalism comes in two forms.

1. Selling goods like oil to dirty foreigners for a Profit (pure evil). On a related note Germany has the largest trade surplus in the world.

2. P:rivate in name only (PINO). Jack Ma is more like a gov't bureaucrat, highly paid to be alibaba czar, and serve the State. But as soon as Jack made the mistake of criticizing China's banking system, criticizing the State, ... he got "disappeared" for 3 months.


All "news" from China is State propaganda, that only serves the State, and the State image.

Locally owned businesses are pushed to make more profit.

What is your reason and logic behind this statement?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

This may be a matter of semantics, ... but do you have a list of examples?

China gives mega corps access to their markets, slave labor, and nearly non-existent environmental legislation. But the corps are not in charge.

it's fascism. this whole corporations good , government bad thing keeps you from seeing the fascist truth.

it's a monlithic power structure. powers are combined.

[Bigdog]

it's fascism. this whole corporations good , government bad thing keeps you from seeing the fascist truth.

it's a monlithic power structure. powers are combined.

Hitler would have killed any CEO that disobeyed him, ... that refused to serve the State. Jack Ma got "disappeared" for 3 months for criticizing the State.

You got that list of examples?

[Micawber]

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[Bigdog]

Communism/Marxism would not have corporate CEOs because there would be no private corporations. All major industries would be state owned.

If we can't agree on definitions, we can't have an honest discussion, so I'll post these for reference ... from the original source.

" Marxist Stage Theory

Stage 1 – Primitive Communism

Men performed the same economic function – hunter gathering. They worked together in order to survive. There was no private property and there were no classes. Eventually the most successful hunter gatherers gained power and control over the others.

Stage 2 – Imperialism

The strong man ruled. He began by owning all the land but when threatened by outsiders, he would grant land to others in return for military services. A new land-owning aristocracy was therefore created.

Stage 3 – Feudalism

Land was owned by the aristocracy who exploited the peasantry who worked it. There was a surplus of food which the aristocracy sold to others – creating a class of merchants and capitalists who wanted to share political power.

Stage 4 – Capitalism

The wealthy merchants and factory owners (bourgeoisie) obtained political power and exploited the workers (proletariat). As the proletariat became politically aware they would rise up and overthrow the bourgeois government.

Stage 5 – Socialism

There would be a dictatorship of the proletariat as workers’ organisations re-distributed food, goods and services fairly according to need, and profits were shared by all. The middle classes would come to understand that equality was superior to private ownership.

Stage 6 – Communism

Everyone would join together for the common good. Money and government would no longer be needed and society would be class-less. As all countries reached this stage the world would become state-less and competition and wars would cease."


http://learneconomicsonline.com/marxist.php

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McSlobber is a drooling moron, devoid of sentient thought.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

Hitler would have killed any CEO that disobeyed him, ... that refused to serve the State. Jack Ma got "disappeared" for 3 months for criticizing the State.

You got that list of examples?

many modern nations are highly fascist. including ours.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

If we can't agree on definitions, we can't have an honest discussion, so I'll post these for reference ... from the original source.

" Marxist Stage Theory

Stage 1 – Primitive Communism

Men performed the same economic function – hunter gathering. They worked together in order to survive. There was no private property and there were no classes. Eventually the most successful hunter gatherers gained power and control over the others.

Stage 2 – Imperialism

The strong man ruled. He began by owning all the land but when threatened by outsiders, he would grant land to others in return for military services. A new land-owning aristocracy was therefore created.

Stage 3 – Feudalism

Land was owned by the aristocracy who exploited the peasantry who worked it. There was a surplus of food which the aristocracy sold to others – creating a class of merchants and capitalists who wanted to share political power.

Stage 4 – Capitalism

The wealthy merchants and factory owners (bourgeoisie) obtained political power and exploited the workers (proletariat). As the proletariat became politically aware they would rise up and overthrow the bourgeois government.

Stage 5 – Socialism

There would be a dictatorship of the proletariat as workers’ organisations re-distributed food, goods and services fairly according to need, and profits were shared by all. The middle classes would come to understand that equality was superior to private ownership.

Stage 6 – Communism

Everyone would join together for the common good. Money and government would no longer be needed and society would be class-less. As all countries reached this stage the world would become state-less and competition and wars would cease."


http://learneconomicsonline.com/marxist.php

so fascism isn't a thing?

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

these corporatists can't see what they are.

[Blackwater Lunchbreak]

"a rising tide raises all ships," they say, forgetting that the labor movement created the middle class coming out of the gilded age.

and no, a minimim wage isn't socialism.

corporations getting to control immigration is fascism.

[Bigdog]

many modern nations are highly fascist. including ours.

So ... no list, just the evil USA.

The Dems threatened Twitter, FB, etc/. with removal of section 230 'special rights for favorite corps' if they didn't toe the Socialist State line. So they obeyed the pols and helped rig the election.

[Bigdog]

so fascism isn't a thing?

You mean the National Socialist German Workers Party? ... the German people never self-identified as fascists.

It is interesting that Marx never specifically mentions a Massive Welfare State.