Koch study: medicare for all saves money

[LV426]

But that $5000 includes premium and I don't pay premiums for myself.

And it's still higher.

Also, you said you have a "Health Reimbursement Plan" which isn't a health insurance plan but rather acts in lieu of one.

I've also never heard of an employer-sponsored plan paying a share of a deductible. Instead, employers increase their share of the premium.

Your whole story sounds fishy.

[LV426]

One other thing you left out. Two adults both making minimum wage would pay $754/year in the taxes for what you support. Two adults with a combined household income of $177,000 (3x the average hh income) would pay $4475/year in taxes for what you support. That $754 if 1/6 of the $4475. Do the low income schlubs only get 1/6 the level of care?

Of course not. Everyone gets the same coverage.

[LV426]

Then, despite your lie, it's redistribution of wealth and that simply is unacceptable.

Call it whatever you want; overall, you end up paying less.

[LV426]

Employers often contribute to health savings account contributions which account for a portion of the deductible.

But that's not what he said he had.

Words have meaning.

If he has an HSA, then fine. But even then, he's still going to spending more out of pocket than on M4A. And if you have an HSA, you don't have an insurance plan.

This is why I said his story is fishy.

[CFM]

But you said that your employer pays a share of your deductible, which is weird because no employer-sponsored plans do that.

Yes they do, mine. Again, you don't have to believe me but my wallet proves you wrong.

[LV426]

That's a big RED FLAG you don't know much about being employed.

He didn't say he had an HSA, he said he had employer-sponsored care, and that the employer paid a share of his deductible. Then he claimed to have a "Health Reimbursement Plan", which would be like an HSA, but the thing is if you have one of those, then you don't have an insurance plan. So his employer isn't paying a share of his deductible since HSA's don't have deductibles because they're HSA's.

All you people do is make shit up, don't you?

[CFM]

Call it whatever you want; overall, you end up paying less.

I call it what it is and it will costs me more.

[LV426]

Maybe he should have taken his meds.

All they do is shift the goalposts and redefine what they meant over, and over, and over, and over.

[Life is Golden]

But that's not what he said he had.

Words have meaning.

If he has an HSA, then fine. But even then, he's still going to spending more out of pocket than on M4A. And if you have an HSA, you don't have an insurance plan.

This is why I said his story is fishy.

An HSA works in tandem with a high deductible plan. Employers can provide a high deductible plan and contribute a portion of the deductible into the HSA account.

These contributions are usually based on employee health assessments and wellness programs.

[Truth Detector]

So now we get back to the same problem with Conservatives we always do; you invoke personal circumstances you know you cannot (or will not) certify or verify on a message board.

So I'm supposed to just take your word for it? Why?

You post speculative bullshit; are we supposed to just take your word for it? Only idiots liars and morons think Government can manage anything effectively. Which are you?

[LV426]

Yes they do, mine. Again, you don't have to believe me but my wallet proves you wrong.

You admitted you don't have an insurance plan, pal! You said you have a "Health Reimbursement Plan" which is not an insurance plan and doesn't have deductibles.

Sounds to me like you don't know your own coverage.

[Truth Detector]

The first 20 years I was raising a family, building houses and had two businesses.. The second 20 years I worked in corporate America.

I think you live in a fantasy world and really should seek counseling.

[Fentoine Lum]

Yes they do, mine. Again, you don't have to believe me but my wallet proves you wrong.

You could just tell everyone who your coverage is with cornpone. No one believes what you say here. Show them.

[LV426]

An HSA works in tandem with a high deductible plan. Employers can provide a high deductible plan and contribute a portion of the deductible into the HSA account.

But he said he didn't have one. Then he said he did. Then he said he didn't.

And an HSA is not a "Health Reimbursement Plan". They're two different things.

[Truth Detector]

The National Median HH income is easily searched on Google.

The premium spending figures come from the Kaiser Family Foundation.

When you can't debate, try to gaslight...it's the Conservative way.

Dear idiot; your sources are the same morons that are trying to sell you the moronic idea that Government managed healthcare is better an cheaper. They are all out lies you willful idiot.