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    Default The Myth of the Southern Strategy II

    As noted in the thread on Robert E.Lee, conservatives and republicans are very similar to Russians in that history must be revised constantly. Saints are rare in politics on both sides of the aisle but the republicans and their apologists are simply dishonest as well.

    "You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nig-ger, nig-ger, nig-ger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nig-ger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nig-ger, nig-ger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist, 1981, describing the Southern Strategy

    The interested reader is directed to this thread and book. http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...istle-Politics

    It shows clearly how both sides have been involved in dog whistles. But for the thoughtful reader is argument really necessary? If I say Cadillac mom, food stamps, inner city, welfare, and a host of other words that are memes for the unthoughtful and ignorant, you already know what they about.

    "The United States was founded as a white nationalist country, and that legacy remains today. Things have improved from the radical promotion of white people at the expense of all others, which has persisted for most of our history, yet most of us have not accepted the extent to which white identity guides so much of what we still do. Sometimes it seems that the white nationalists are most honest about the very real foundation of white supremacy upon which our nation was built."
    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/19/o...y-statues.html

    'Dog Whistle Politics As Strategic Racism' "Wallace, Goldwater, and Nixon constitute classic strategic racists. In the context of the times, they were all initially racial moderates. They may have harbored tainted beliefs, but racial animosity did not drive their actions. Instead, they concentrated hard, weighing and sifting, to figure out how they could most effectively gain votes. If a more promising route had been available, they would have taken it. But race seemed the most likely avenue, so each opted to harness racial divisions to their agenda of getting elected. This was not about racism, it was about winning. Also, they were not racially omniscient, moving instead within a settled framework of ideas about race that for the most part they took for granted. Even so, unlike most in society, these politicians thought long and deep about how to turn race to their advantage. We've previously defined strategic racism as purposeful efforts to use racial animosity as leverage to gain political power (or material wealth and social standing). By this definition, Wallace, Goldwater, and Nixon acted out of strategic racism. This last sentence sparks an important clarification. I write interchangeably of "dog whistle politics" and "dog whistle racism." The first is a less freighted term. But the truth is, racial dog whistle politics is dog whistle racism. It is a strategic manipulation of racial ideas in pursuit of political power and (especially once big money conservatives got behind the tactic) material wealth." p48 'Dog Whistle Politics: How Coded Racial Appeals Have Reinvented Racism and Wrecked the Middle Class' by Ian Haney López

    "What white people have to do is try and find out in their own hearts why it was necessary to have a ‘nig-ger’ in the first place, because I’m not a nig-ger, I’m a man. But if you think I’m a nig-ger, it means you need him. The question you’ve got to ask yourself, is, if you invented him, you the white people invented him, then you’ve got to find out why. And the future of the country depends on that, whether or not it is able to ask that question.” Baldwin http://contemporarycondition.blogspo...blackness.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    As noted in the thread on Robert E.Lee, conservatives and republicans are very similar to Russians in that history must be revised constantly. Saints are rare in politics on both sides of the aisle but the republicans and their apologists are simply dishonest as well.

    "You start out in 1954 by saying, “Nig-ger, nig-ger, nig-ger.” By 1968 you can’t say “nig-ger” — that hurts you. Backfires. So you say stuff like forced busing, states’ rights and all that stuff. You’re getting so abstract now you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a by-product of them is blacks get hurt worse than whites. And subconsciously maybe that is part of it. I’m not saying that. But I’m saying that if it is getting that abstract, and that coded, that we are doing away with the racial problem one way or the other. You follow me — because obviously sitting around saying, “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “Nig-ger, nig-ger.” Lee Atwater, Republican strategist, 1981, describing the Southern Strategy
    How about this for abstract.
    I advocate eating a healthy diet and some sanctimonious antifa claims I'm a racist for that (yes that really happened). I'll connect the dots for you: As a racist, nazi and white supremicist I think blacks only eat fried chicken, chitlins and Skittles, right? I advocate eating a healthy diet and by advocating that I imply blacks would have a better life if they just behaved themselves.
    No, you antifas twist anything said by anybody who disagrees with you on most anything into racism. No mystery as to the rise of the alt right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aloysious View Post
    Forget it. Not only did you miss the entire point, you verified it. I never judged anybody about anything, just advocating eating a healthy diet makes me a white supremacist nazi racist to antifas. And you just showed you're no exception.
    I'll vote alt right next time. Libertarianism is too tolerant towards your type.
    What is considered 'left' nowadays would be considered radical far left only a yr. ago. Violent and completely intolerant toward any position other than their sanctimonious righteousness . All you're doing is alienating moderates and forcing them more to the right.
    It must be obvious who fell flat on their face or should I say bias? You created a diet for a group of people whose ethnicity is different than yours. [Race is a fiction but that is too complicated for this discussion.] How is it you know that? Is your diet superior? Must be since you're handing out advice on diet. Tell us about it?

    And you didn't answer my question, what say you to the white whose diet isn't very good? Ah, see there is the point you are judging and fail even to see that you are. You did so as clear as your nose. How is it you know blacks have poor diets, did a little Birdie tell you? Look up assumption sometime.

    As for libertarian ideology, as one conservative wrote that is the modern equivalent of Marxism, an ideology of the wealthy, funded by money and the rich, spoiled upper class. And believed by the naive, I'll include some links below for the interested reader. One of the white supremacist is quoted just below, notice anything?

    "I'm here because our republican values are number one, standing up for local white identity, our identity is under threat, number two, the free market, and number three, killing Jews." Sean Patrick Nielsen, Charlottesville [Video on Washpo]

    Libertarian links:

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.T...bertarian.html
    http://www.spectacle.org/897/trust.html
    http://rustbeltphilosophy.blogspot.c...s-statist.html

    JPP Thread: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...ht=libertarian

    Conservative: http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-of-the-right/


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    Still the same old tired lies about Republicans, in an attempt to hide the true history of the Democrat Party.

    Democrats condemn Republican President Richard Nixon for his so-called "Southern Strategy." These same Democrats expressed no concern when the racially segregated South voted solidly for Democrats for over 100 years, while deriding Republicans because of the thirty-year odyssey of the South switching to the Republican Party.

    The "Southern Strategy" that began in the 1970's was an effort by Nixon to get fair-minded people in the South to stop voting for Democrats who did not share their values and were discriminating against blacks. Georgia did not switch until 2004, and Louisiana was controlled by Democrats until the election of Republican Bobby Jindal, a person of color, as governor in 2007.

    As the co-architect of Nixon's "Southern Strategy", Pat Buchanan provided a first-hand account of the origin and intent of that strategy in a 2002 article posted on the Internet. Buchanan wrote that Nixon declared that the Republican Party would be built on a foundation of states' rights, human rights, small government and a strong national defense. Nixon said he would leave it to the Democratic Party to squeeze the last ounce of political juice out of the rotting fruit of racial injustice.
    http://blackrepublican.blogspot.com/...s-did-not.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    It must be obvious who fell flat on their face or should I say bias? You created a diet for a group of people whose ethnicity is different than yours.
    Are you purposely being obtuse or is there a misunderstanding? In case of a misunderstanding I'll clarify a statement in my first post. "I'll connect the dots for you: As a racist, nazi and white supremacist I think blacks only eat fried chicken, chitlins and Skittles, right?" <That is the assumption progs make about me. I created nothing. All I did was advocate a healthy diet, nothing more, and you as well as another prog who no longer posts here make unwarranted assumptions about what I imply by advocating a healthy diet. And those assumptions always lead to me somehow being a racist. Insane!
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    How is it you know that?
    I don't. That's a question based on false assumptions. Never stated that I know anything about others diet. That was an assumption made by a prog on this board and by you.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Is your diet superior?
    I have no idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Must be since you're handing out advice on diet. Tell us about it?
    Who would argue that a healthy diet is worse than an unhealthy one?
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    And you didn't answer my question, what say you to the white whose diet isn't very good?
    Same as I would say to anyone else. Nothing. I don't care. If they asked I'd tell them a healthy diet is better and explain why.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Ah, see there is the point you are judging and fail even to see that you are. You did so as clear as your nose.
    Yet it is you who judge me based on false assumptions.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    How is it you know blacks have poor diets, did a little Birdie tell you?
    No , it is you who assumes that I assume that. Never did I state or imply it.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    Look up assumption sometime.
    asˇsumpˇtion
    əˈsəm(p)SH(ə)n/
    noun
    noun: assumption; plural noun: assumptions; noun: Assumption

    1.
    a thing that is accepted as true or as certain to happen, without proof.
    Fits you and most other progs to a 'T'.
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    One of the white supremacist is quoted just below, notice anything?

    "I'm here because our republican values are number one, standing up for local white identity, our identity is under threat, number two, the free market, and number three, killing Jews." Sean Patrick Nielsen, Charlottesville [Video on Washpo]
    Yes, free market. Because a white supremacist advocates it doesn't make it bad. If he advocated brushing and flossing would that make brushing and flossing a bad thing?
    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    As for libertarian ideology, as one conservative wrote that is the modern equivalent of Marxism, an ideology of the wealthy, funded by money and the rich, spoiled upper class. And believed by the naive, I'll include some links below for the interested reader.
    Libertarian links:

    http://web.inter.nl.net/users/Paul.T...bertarian.html
    http://www.spectacle.org/897/trust.html
    http://rustbeltphilosophy.blogspot.c...s-statist.htmlJPP Thread: http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sho...ht=libertarian Conservative: http://www.theamericanconservative.c...-of-the-right/


    "I would say quite seriously, that I am a socialist in economics, a liberal in politics, and a conservative in culture." Daniel Bell
    Too long , not enough time to read all those links. But I'm not dogmatic toward any political philosophy. Just that Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's positions fit me better than most any dem or rpub's. But don't be concerned about me voting libertarian in the near future. Progs have forced me into a position where I'm fairly certain I'll vote for candidates that fit the alt right . Not that they fit my philosophy so much other than that they provide more resistance to totalitarians like yourself and other progs than libertarianism does.
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    Right and Aloysious

    Right, You guys are too funny. You found a black republican site that knows or understands history as well as you do, or is anti Democratic party as much as you? I wouldn't hold that up as an accomplishment, since the southern strategy was acknowledged by several republicans - if that isn't proof I can't help you. The democrats haven't won the white vote since civil rights, the southern strategy worked and works still.

    Aloysious, Why is it necessary to reply to every line? This makes a mess and maybe that is your purpose? I am glad you are honest enough to admit you vote alt-right, which appears to be a modern update to the southern strategy. I give you credit for acknowledging your racism. And in the future please reply with your words only.

    And Paul and Johnson are about as silly as Trump without his bluster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post

    Right, You guys are too funny. You found a black republican site that knows or understands history as well as you do, or is anti Democratic party as much as you? I wouldn't hold that up as an accomplishment, since the southern strategy was acknowledged by several republicans - if that isn't proof I can't help you. The democrats haven't won the white vote since civil rights, the southern strategy worked and works still.
    We are in APP now so logical fallacies that you've used here won't be tolerated. You'll have to actually argue facts, or concede the point.

    Here's a more thorough explanation debunking your 'if Republican, then racist' meme.

    https://www.prageru.com/courses/hist...ome-republican

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    Quote Originally Posted by midcan5 View Post
    I am glad you are honest enough to admit you vote alt-right, which appears to be a modern update to the southern strategy. I give you credit for acknowledging your racism.

    And Paul and Johnson are about as silly as Trump without his bluster.
    Well since I'm a racist for advocating a healthy diet and probably for good oral hygiene (as are virtually 100% of physicians, dieticians and dentists), anything I advocate is considered racist by progs. I may as well vote alt right as the best counter to their/your totalitarianism political philosophy. My vote was no threat to your ideology before as libertarians never have a chance of winning anything. Now my vote is, and you can thank yourselves.

    Not nearly as silly as a 20yr. old photoshopped image of the worst person to run for president in my lifetime as an avatar (who by the way, has her own history of racism).
    I reply to every line because it brings more sense to your nonsense.
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