Hello Flash,
Originally Posted by
Flash
We are talking about two very different job markets. You said I didn't correctly describe your views but you said the reason those highly paid jobs were unfilled was because they were not good jobs and incorrectly described many of those as having bad conditions. The people we hire from India is not because
Americans don't want those jobs but because the U. S. does not produce enough qualified people in math, science, computing, and engineering. Hindus have the highest per capita income in the U. S.
Also true. Which is why I said SOME well paying jobs go to people from India. I would presume the religion exemplifies good parenting. I have no doubt that if Americans applied themselves with the same diligence that we could parent and educate our children to be more successful. We need to make some changes. I don't agree that religion is the answer, but I can certainly see that it works for some people so I wouldn't want to rule it out. I think our federal government should take a greater role in educating our people.
Schools should be required to teach things that help young people understand that no matter where they come from they really do have a chance to build themselves a good life. That can be difficult when they are the children of losers. Poverty in America is very cross-generational. Most poverty comes from poverty. Most wealth comes from wealth. There is some encouraging upward mobility, but it is not enough to keep up with the birth rate among the poor. There is an insufficient birth rate among the rich to displace the birth rate among the poor. Poverty grows. This happens across the world under all kinds of governments. Nobody seems to have the answer. We are not great enough to have solved that one, either.
[Politalker] "Ya wanna know why some well-paying jobs go to people from India? Several reasons. One of those reasons is that those are the jobs Americans don't want because they have seen how good jobs are. They can clearly see that a lot of these unfilled well-paying jobs can be dangerous or make it impossible to have a daily family life."
Originally Posted by
Flash
Those 44% making low income don't take those higher paying jobs because they are dangerous or bad jobs but because they cannot qualify for them. Web development and software engineer are not bad jobs. A person can't complain they are only making $18,000 if they aren't qualified for a better job and don't want to work too many hours.
Also true, but doesn't tell the whole story. Everybody isn't a nerd. The thought of staring at a computer screen 14 hours a day is not appealing to most people. Vitamin D deficiency is not a good way to go. That's only going to work for a segment of the population. Not 44%.
Originally Posted by
Flash
I think blaming capitalism for any of those problems is a straw man in itself. You mention smoking and drinking but those are usually more common in socialist countries (not because they are socialist). Those who work in government jobs in the U. S. (city offices, education) seem to have the same conditions, problems, and complaints as those workers in capitalistic private sector jobs.
My perception is that people working government jobs may have to put up with some bureaucratic BS but they make the most of it and stay in those jobs for the benefits. And they like to feel like they are really making a difference in the hands-on work of making America great, so they really are dedicated to their work and goal oriented. A government job is seen as a good job with excellent job security. You can often get paid more for the same work in the private sector but the trade offs are questionable job security and less benefits.
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