Nearly 40% of Marines have declined Covid-19 vaccine

[Life is Golden]

When I visited my kid last weekend, he expressed that they were having similar problems where he's stationed in the Army. They've made it difficult to get the vaccine, and they aren't doing a good job of selling the benefit. He's heard talk that it may become mandatory.

Doubtful that will ever happen.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Healthy Marines can’t spread it to the vaccinated vulnerable lol.

Allow everyone else the freedom to choose what they do with their bodies.

The problem with that reasoning is it makes the incorrect assumption that all other vulnerable people will be vaccinated. They won't.

Marines can be ordered to get a vaccine.

The general public can't.

[Sailor]

Politalker is wrong again. As usual.

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



The problem with that reasoning is it makes the incorrect assumption that all other vulnerable people will be vaccinated. They won't.

Marines can be ordered to get a vaccine.

The general public can't.

And you’re assuming there’s going to be enough vulnerables left [between the vaccines and natural immunity numbers] to duplicate last year’s crisis.

Dubious assumption.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

And you’re assuming there’s going to be enough vulnerables left [between the vaccines and natural immunity numbers] to duplicate last year’s crisis.

Dubious assumption.

Hey, nice duck job. But really all you did was try to steal my argument.

And I noticed you couldn't defend placing vulnerable people in further jeopardy, so you tried to flip it around on my argument.

It doesn't matter whether last year's numbers would be duplicated. Even having hundreds of Americans dying from this is too much. We don't want anybody dying.

And also,

We don't know what's ahead. We need to do everything we can to protect the American public. There will certainly be further mutations. What if a new variant began affecting more people in a stronger way?

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



Hey, nice duck job. But really all you did was try to steal my argument.

And I noticed you couldn't defend placing vulnerable people in further jeopardy, so you tried to flip it around on my argument.

It doesn't matter whether last year's numbers would be duplicated. Even having hundreds of Americans dying from this is too much. We don't want anybody dying.

And also,

We don't know what's ahead. We need to do everything we can to protect the American public. There will certainly be further mutations. What if a new variant began affecting more people in a stronger way?

Deal with it if/when it happens. What guarantees are there the vaccines will help against them.

The first responsibility for protecting the vulnerables lies with the vulnerables themselves. It’s to the point where there’s no excuse for high risk people to not be vaccinated. If it’s not to that point, it’s getting closer every week. Trump had Biden set up when Biden was installed in the WH. The kinks should be worked out by now, and if they aren’t, then it’s the fault of Biden and the governors.

It’s not fair to ask young people to risk putting something in their body which could possibly harm them down the road, for the sake of people who aren’t willing to get vaccinated—but should.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Deal with it if/when it happens. What guarantees are there the vaccines will help against them.

The first responsibility for protecting the vulnerables lies with the vulnerables themselves. It’s to the point where there’s no excuse for high risk people to not be vaccinated. If it’s not to that point, it’s getting closer every week. Trump had Biden set up when Biden was installed in the WH. The kinks should be worked out by now, and if they aren’t, then it’s the fault of Biden and the governors.

It’s not fair to ask young people to risk putting something in their body which could possibly harm them down the road, for the sake of people who aren’t willing to get vaccinated—but should.

The battle is shifting to one of trying to get enough people vaccinated to stop the virus. There will be a strong PR campaign to do this, and we certainly don't want the military possibly transmitting the disease. All methods of eradicating this virus must be taken before the situation gets worse. And no, we do not want to wait until that happens before taking action. That's what Trump did, why it's so bad, and why he got legally voted out. Wrong approach. We need forward looking leadership, not backward leadership.

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



The battle is shifting to one of trying to get enough people vaccinated to stop the virus. There will be a strong PR campaign to do this, and we certainly don't want the military possibly transmitting the disease. All methods of eradicating this virus must be taken before the situation gets worse. And no, we do not want to wait until that happens before taking action. That's what Trump did, why it's so bad, and why he got legally voted out. Wrong approach. We need forward looking leadership, not backward leadership.

Part of the problem with getting people on board is the goalposts are constantly shifting. What is this, Day 350 of Flatten the Curve? They told us we could lose the masks after the vaccinations but then Fauci changed his mind. The man’s mind changes like the weather in March.

Stopping the virus [if that’s even possible] is something we can look at after we get this economy opened up ALL THE WAY. After the ballparks are full, after live music is back, everywhere and all the schools are open.

Then we’ll look at stopping the virus. And oh, and after we get the border under control. We can’t stay Covid obsessed 4-ever. This country does actually have other problems.

[SmarterthanYou]

Marines can be ordered to get a vaccine.

The general public can't.

at that point, they should give every service member the option to be given their honorable discharge instead of being forced to accept an experimental vaccine

[SmarterthanYou]

And no, we do not want to wait until that happens before taking action. That's what Trump did, why it's so bad, and why he got legally voted out.

you are so full of shit. trump got voted out because of the hatred of 78 million Americans. nothing more, nothing less.

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Part of the problem with getting people on board is the goalposts are constantly shifting. What is this, Day 350 of Flatten the Curve? They told us we could lose the masks after the vaccinations but then Fauci changed his mind. The man’s mind changes like the weather in March.

Stopping the virus [if that’s even possible] is something we can look at after we get this economy opened up ALL THE WAY. After the ballparks are full, after live music is back, everywhere and all the schools are open.

Then we’ll look at stopping the virus. And oh, and after we get the border under control. We can’t stay Covid obsessed 4-ever. This country does actually have other problems.

OK, everybody wants to get back to normal. But that doesn't mean we can pretend there is no problem with that.

Should we simply ignore the risk?

Ridiculous. We can pack the stands at in-person events AFTER we get control, not before.

Talk about putting the cart in front of the horse..

Here's your SIGN.

[Walt]

When I visited my kid last weekend, he expressed that they were having similar problems where he's stationed in the Army. They've made it difficult to get the vaccine, and they aren't doing a good job of selling the benefit. He's heard talk that it may become mandatory.

The military will continue to evaluate the situation. If they decide they need everyone in the military vaccinated, to keep military readiness, they will order everyone to get vaccinated. Then you can either be courtmartialed, or get vaccinated.

Remember, it is a crime to make yourself sick in the military.

[Walt]

Politalker is wrong again. As usual.

Now I am beginning to wonder if Sailor really was a sailor. A real sailor would have had multiple minor medical procedures forced upon him.

[Walt]

And you’re assuming there’s going to be enough vulnerables left [between the vaccines and natural immunity numbers] to duplicate last year’s crisis.

Dubious assumption.

I would have agreed with you several months ago, but we have more recent information now. With Brazil, most people are getting Covid-19 a second time. Best guess is natural immunity only lasts for five months, but honestly, that is just a guess.

Basically, this is another case of you needing something to be true, for your whole ideology to make sense, therefore insisting it must be true. I try to prepare for the worst possibility, but hope that the best is true. I admit I do not know the truth... YET!!!

[Walt]

Deal with it if/when it happens.

You are literally preparing to fail. The military does not work like that. To avoid preparing to fail, they avoid failing to prepare. They are preparing in case voluntary vaccination is not enough. It may well be enough, in which case this preparation will help them with future contagious diseases. AND THERE WILL BE FUTURE CONTAGIOUS DISEASES!!!

The first responsibility for protecting the vulnerables lies with the vulnerables themselves.

If the military worked that way, then soldiers would do whatever they wanted for themselves, and it would no longer be a military. It would just be a bunch of people doing whatever would help themselves survive.

A 50 year old Air Force colonel with high blood pressure could just stop showing up to work. There would be no court martial for dereliction of duty. Or he could show up to work in a Grateful Dead t-shirt. Or he could decide to work for the Chinese Air Force.

The kinks should be worked out by now, and if they aren’t, then it’s the fault of Biden and the governors.

trump failed to supply the Covid-19 test kits he promised for the vaccine trials. There is no way to have a double blind test, with placeboes now, and the more indirect tests take far more time. In other words, it will very possibly take years to really understand the contagion of Covid-19 in partially vaccinated populations.

It’s not fair to ask young people to risk putting something in their body which could possibly harm them down the road, for the sake of people who aren’t willing to get vaccinated—but should.

Life is not fair, and the military is definitely not fair. You have a problem with that, cry to your mother. The rest of us literally do not care.

It was not fair that people had to get vaccinated against Smallpox, putting their lives as risk, so we could wipe out Smallpox, and people like me did not have to get the vaccine. It is not fair that porn stars can not be porn stars, just because they have HIV. It is not fair that children get cancer and die..... WHINE, WHINE, WHINE!!! No body cares.

And you know is is not fair that my uncle was killed in the Korean War. It is not fair he was drafted to be in the army. It is not fair so many young, healthy people are killed in wars. Worse yet, they are forced to fight in those wars.

It is time for you to grow up.