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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    Did you go blind? All the threads started by rightys have rendered that argument moot. This is being discussed in many spots. Of course, you are making up an excuse to attack leftys.
    Pipe down Nordberg. The fact is liberal cast aside RGB as fast as they cast aside Ted Kennedy. You folks use and eat your own. Once again, pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Did you consider it honorable when they refused to consider the nomination or did you think it would be more honorable to confirm Garland?
    Given the fact that Scalia passed in February of that year, and McConnell and the (R)s refused to even consider Garland, I would call that dishonorable.

    Several (R)s stated that they didn't think it was right to allow Obama to "have" one more justice and that they shouldn't even vote on one in an election year because the (mumble mumble) people might choose a differently-flavored POTUS. So fair is fair -- is it now honorable to forget all about that and try to ram one through -- six weeks before the election?

    If there's one thing that Republicans are good at, it's hypocrisy.
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    Hello Flash,

    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Did you consider it honorable when they refused to consider the nomination or did you think it would be more honorable to confirm Garland?
    Republicans should have confirmed Garland, but that ship has sailed. They didn't, so a precedent has been set. They made their own bed, now they need to sleep in it.

    Trying to have it both ways just shows the American public how unprincipled they truly are. They can be bought. They are addicted to power, can't quit, have no values. They need to be replaced.
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    Hello ThatOwlWoman,

    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Given the fact that Scalia passed in February of that year, and McConnell and the (R)s refused to even consider Garland, I would call that dishonorable.

    Several (R)s stated that they didn't think it was right to allow Obama to "have" one more justice and that they shouldn't even vote on one in an election year because the (mumble mumble) people might choose a differently-flavored POTUS. So fair is fair -- is it now honorable to forget all about that and try to ram one through -- six weeks before the election?

    If there's one thing that Republicans are good at, it's hypocrisy.
    Republicans have got hypocrisy DOWN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello ThatOwlWoman,



    Republicans have got hypocrisy DOWN.
    the precedent is simply that the party with the majority of votes passes what they choose to pass.........no hypocrisy involved.........
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    Democrats Will Need 4 Republican Senators To Block Nomination. It's Possible.
    Sure- they're the reprobates that blocked evidence to the Trump impeachment.
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    We don't know what happened after that . "

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Senate Republicans hold 53 Senate seats to Democrats 47. They would need 4 Republicans to cross the isle.

    Seems unlikely, but there may be hope. This could get interesting.

    Lots of Republican Senators are facing difficult elections where they need to appease the middle to get reelected.

    4 is a possibility. Actually 7 is a possibility: Colorado, Maine, Alaska, Utah, North Carolina, and Arizona are all possible to cross the line. Some of these people face difficult decisions which could affect their own chances of reelection

    Some Republican Senators are in States where Biden is leading in the polls, setting up a coat-tails effect which threatens their chances at retaining their seats.

    Republican Senator Cory Gardner of Colorado:

    "Four years ago, Gardner said that a Supreme Court vacancy in February 2016 should not be filled by President Barack Obama because the Democrat was in his final year as president: “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision,” Gardner said then."

    In first appearance after Ginsburg’s death, Gardner declines to say when justice should be replaced


    Gardner faces ex Governor John Hickenlooper, who is popular there. Biden is strongly favored in Colorado polling. Biden +10 over Trump.

    Republican Senator Martha McSally of Arizona


    McSally faces Democrat Mark Kelly, astronaut and husband of Rep Gabby Giffords who was the victim of a well publicized mass shooting attack.

    Kelly leads McSally by +6.7

    Biden also leads in Arizona: Biden +5.0 (rcp average)

    Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine
    is trailing Democrat Sara Gideon by a strong margin: Gideon +6.2

    Biden leads Trump heavily in Maine: Biden +13.8

    Republican Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina is also trailing in the polls.

    rcp average currently shows Democrat Cal Cunningham favored: Cunningham +3.6

    Biden is favored in NC by a slim margin of +0.9, a race where Tillis does not want to alienate the middle.

    Republican Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mitt Romney of Utah have rarely bought into Trump's cult. Either or both of them could vote against even bringing a nomination to the floor.
    Sadly, you are very right in your assessment.

    These lying thieves promise their butts off to get elected and then go to Washington and dump on their supporters.

    They've been doing it for years. McCain scuttled the debate to talk about the ACA. Refused to allow a discussion about a solution on the flawed ACA. He did this NOT for the American people. He did it because he hated Trump.

    Our petty tyrants are pompous and harmful idiots with personal agendas and unethical tactics. Why do these jerks have pensions at regular pay until the day they die?

    I'm sick of them and sick of the base line budgeting that have moved our country to the brink of ruin.

    They hate Trump because Trump is working to undermine their campaign to install themselves as a class of royalty. I support the President in his opposition to the members of this self appointed ruling class.

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    Hello Old'N'Retired,

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    Sadly, you are very right in your assessment.
    Thank you. I hope so.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    These lying thieves promise their butts off to get elected and then go to Washington and dump on their supporters.

    They've been doing it for years. McCain scuttled the debate to talk about the ACA. Refused to allow a discussion about a solution on the flawed ACA. He did this NOT for the American people. He did it because he hated Trump.
    That's debatable. That image of McCain giving the thumb's down was a great moment in American politics. McCain crossed the isle frequently. He understood the detente, the beauty of our system which requires mutual respect and negotiation between the two parties. Newt Gingrich's scorched Earth policy destroyed Americanism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    Our petty tyrants are pompous and harmful idiots with personal agendas and unethical tactics. Why do these jerks have pensions at regular pay until the day they die?
    I think it is fair that they be rewarded for their dedication to America. It's not an easy job. They have to put themselves out there for public scrutiny, give up their private life. That's more than most people are willing to do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    I'm sick of them and sick of the base line budgeting that have moved our country to the brink of ruin.
    Becoming a politician in ancient Athens was pretty much the kiss of death. Few sought it then.

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    They hate Trump because Trump is working to undermine their campaign to install themselves as a class of royalty. I support the President in his opposition to the members of this self appointed ruling class.
    One ruling class or another. It's just two flavors of the same toxin.

    That's why we need to institute the American Anti-Corruption Act.

    Don't like Congress? Here's how we the people can fix it.

    Have a look at this bipartisan proposal. It's no quick fix, but it shows the best promise of fixing Congress:


    1 Stop political bribery

    Make it illegal for politicians to take money from lobbyists.
    Politicians get extraordinary sums of money in the form of campaign donations from the special interests who lobby them. In return, politicians create laws favorable to these special interests – even when those laws hurt voters.

    Under the American Anti-Corruption Act, people who get paid to lobby cannot donate to politicians.

    Ban lobbyist bundling.
    Lobbyists regularly bundle together big contributions from their friends and colleagues and deliver them in one lump sum to politicians. This turns lobbyists into major fundraisers, giving politicians an incentive to keep them happy by working political favors.

    The Act prohibits lobbyists from bundling contributions.

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    Under the Act, politicians are prevented from raising money during the workday, when they should be serving their constituents.

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    Immediately disclose political money online.
    Current disclosure laws are outdated and broken. Many donations are not disclosed for months, and some are never made available electronically, making it difficult for citizens and journalists to follow the money in our political system.

    The Anti-Corruption Act ensures that all significant political fundraising and spending is immediately disclosed online and made easily accessible to the public.

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    Elections are being flooded with big money funneled through groups with secret donors. These secretive groups spend money directly to influence elections and make unlimited contributions to super PACs, which run ads to elect and defeat candidates.

    Under the Act, any organization that spends meaningful funds on political advertisements is required to file a timely online report disclosing its major donors.

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    As a result of the Supreme Court’s Citizens United ruling, the Supreme Court ruled that super PACs can spend unlimited money influencing elections, so long as they do not coordinate directly with candidate campaigns. Since then, there has been tremendous coordination between campaigns and their super PACs, making a mockery of the “independence” the Supreme Court said must exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Senate Republicans hold 53 Senate seats to Democrats 47. They would need 4 Republicans to cross the isle.

    Seems unlikely, but there may be hope. This could get interesting.

    Lots of Republican Senators are facing difficult elections where they need to appease the middle to get reelected.

    4 is a possibility. Actually 7 is a possibility: Colorado, Maine, Alaska, Utah, North Carolina, and Arizona are all possible to cross the line. Some of these people face difficult decisions which could affect their own chances of reelection

    Some Republican Senators are in States where Biden is leading in the polls, setting up a coat-tails effect which threatens their chances at retaining their seats.

    Republican Senator Cory Gardner of Colorado:

    "Four years ago, Gardner said that a Supreme Court vacancy in February 2016 should not be filled by President Barack Obama because the Democrat was in his final year as president: “I think we’re too close to the election. The president who is elected in November should be the one who makes this decision,” Gardner said then."

    In first appearance after Ginsburg’s death, Gardner declines to say when justice should be replaced


    Gardner faces ex Governor John Hickenlooper, who is popular there. Biden is strongly favored in Colorado polling. Biden +10 over Trump.

    Republican Senator Martha McSally of Arizona


    McSally faces Democrat Mark Kelly, astronaut and husband of Rep Gabby Giffords who was the victim of a well publicized mass shooting attack.

    Kelly leads McSally by +6.7

    Biden also leads in Arizona: Biden +5.0 (rcp average)

    Republican Senator Susan Collins of Maine
    is trailing Democrat Sara Gideon by a strong margin: Gideon +6.2

    Biden leads Trump heavily in Maine: Biden +13.8

    Republican Senator Thom Tillis of North Carolina is also trailing in the polls.

    rcp average currently shows Democrat Cal Cunningham favored: Cunningham +3.6

    Biden is favored in NC by a slim margin of +0.9, a race where Tillis does not want to alienate the middle.

    Republican Senators Lisa Murkowski of Alaska and Mitt Romney of Utah have rarely bought into Trump's cult. Either or both of them could vote against even bringing a nomination to the floor.
    A lot depends upon who Trump picks. RBG was confirmed with a vote of 96 to 3. If Trump actually nominated someone palatable to both sides, it could happen before the Inauguration.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Given the fact that Scalia passed in February of that year, and McConnell and the (R)s refused to even consider Garland, I would call that dishonorable.

    Several (R)s stated that they didn't think it was right to allow Obama to "have" one more justice and that they shouldn't even vote on one in an election year because the (mumble mumble) people might choose a differently-flavored POTUS. So fair is fair -- is it now honorable to forget all about that and try to ram one through -- six weeks before the election?

    If there's one thing that Republicans are good at, it's hypocrisy.
    Agreed on hypocrisy. It's just another reason why most Americans don't trust their own elected leaders.
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    Hello Old'N'Retired,

    Quote Originally Posted by Old'N'Retired View Post
    I'm sick of them and sick of the base line budgeting that have moved our country to the brink of ruin.
    I don't understand how someone can be concerned about the federal budget and support Trump.

    He has been completely irresponsible with debt his entire life, and his treatment of the federal budget reflects that.

    His tax cut for the rich failed to generate sufficient revenue to support the cut, and it ran the debt up by 2 trillion.

    Sure. An economy is going to benefit from having money pumped into it by bleeding the federal government, but that kind of policy is not sustainable. It can't last like that. Sooner or later you have to collect enough taxes to pay for government.

    It is irresponsible to cut taxes when the economy is doing well.

    You certainly cannot pay down the debt during a recession, so it has to be done when the economy is doing well. Simple math, with a lot of zeroes added on.

    You know, a billion here, a billion there, pretty soon we're talking about pretty big money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatOwlWoman View Post
    Given the fact that Scalia passed in February of that year, and McConnell and the (R)s refused to even consider Garland, I would call that dishonorable.

    Several (R)s stated that they didn't think it was right to allow Obama to "have" one more justice and that they shouldn't even vote on one in an election year because the (mumble mumble) people might choose a differently-flavored POTUS. So fair is fair -- is it now honorable to forget all about that and try to ram one through -- six weeks before the election?

    If there's one thing that Republicans are good at, it's hypocrisy.
    That hypocrisy comes equally from both sides. The issue of being an election year, how close to the election, or how many appointments a president can have is all just political rhetoric made up by the two parties.

    The issue is simple. Can a party get a nominee appointed and confirmed or can it block the other party? They will both use the method and argument to achieve that goal which is the entire purpose of winning a majority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoliTalker View Post
    Hello Flash,

    Republicans should have confirmed Garland, but that ship has sailed. They didn't, so a precedent has been set. They made their own bed, now they need to sleep in it.

    Trying to have it both ways just shows the American public how unprincipled they truly are. They can be bought. They are addicted to power, can't quit, have no values. They need to be replaced.
    They didn't set any precedent that can't be changed. Parties exist to gain power, not principles. They have both reversed their positions on this issue just like they did on filibusters, nuclear option.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    They didn't set any precedent that can't be changed. Parties exist to gain power, not principles. They have both reversed their positions on this issue just like they did on filibusters, nuclear option.....
    If that is true, then parties are pure evil since they are completely lacking in principles.


    Agreed both parties are full of hypocrites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    If that is true, then parties are pure evil since they are completely lacking in principles.

    Agreed both parties are full of hypocrites.
    Not pure evil--they are a way to organize government and elections and gain power. They are willing to change their principles in order to win and because times change. Republicans would be silly to still be running on anti-slavery. They are willing to put party above principle.

    It is not evil, but Americans find power distasteful. And, we change our views based on what is good for our side.

    1. You don't see many Republicans wanting to wait to choose the SC replacement until after the election or Democrats wanting it completed before the election. Those views are not based on principle.

    2. You don't see many Republicans believing Anita Hill or Ford on sexual harassment and you don't see many Democrats believe the sexual accusations against Biden or Clinton (except Monica). Whether we believe the women involved has nothing to do with their veracity but our party affiliation.

    The hypocrisy is as much with the public as the parties.

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