Doc Dutch (06-07-2021)
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I agree that religion, nationalism, ethnic identification, natural resources can be used to motivate large groups of people to fight.
Humans are tribal animals, and have been for two hundred thousand years. It is always possible to find some angle to stoke tribal grievances. That is just a reality of the human condition and I do not think it can be laid at the feet of Jesus.
I just do not think that many people in the last four centuries are willing to die on the question of whether Jesus, Siddhartha Guatama, or Laozi had the better insight into transcendent truth. At least for the last 400 years, the true motivation for conflicts are natural resources, geopolitical hegemony, and nationalism.
As for stone tablets and burning bushes they come from the Jewish bible. I am not sure why a lot of people get mad at Christianity for sacred Jewish scripture.
The bible is supposed to be read metaphorically. That has been Christian doctrine for 1,700 years. It was not until the Protestant reformation and the rise of fundamentalist Protestantism that biblical literalism and biblical inerrancy became accepted practice in Protestant sects.
Doc Dutch (06-07-2021)
Cypress (06-07-2021)
I think you are VASTLY underestimating how many people believe that Trump won the election. The polls says a full 50% of Republicans believe the big lie. And selling God is a lot easier than selling that bullshit. I don't want to get off topic, but the Trump phenomenon is much like religion, and the adherents are blind and willfully ignorant. They believe in ballots fed to chickens, Christians believe in people rising into the sky, parting the sea, and God resorting to scribbling on a napkin to tell everyone how to behave.
Great. "50% of Republicans". What percentage of the voting population is that? How many people? About the same number of dumbasses who don't trust Trump's vaccine?
Let's have fun with numbers:
Total voting in 2020 - 158.4 million, about 67% turnout of eligible voters. https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...for-president/
Percentage of voters who are "Republican" - 29% https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...-and-religion/
29% of 158.4M = 45.94M Republicans (feel free to check my matter because I haven't finished my coffee. )
50% of 45.94 = 23M dipshits.....most, if not all, on the backside of the IQ Bell Curve and/or education curve.
While that's a big number, percentage wise, it's not. Over 300M Americans disagree with them, at least the other 100M+ who voted.
For perspective consider US city populations: https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities
New York City, NY (Population: 8,622,357)
Los Angeles, CA (Population: 4,085,014)
Chicago, IL (Population: 2,670,406)
Houston, TX (Population: 2,378,146)
Phoenix, AZ (Population: 1,743,469)
Philadelphia, PA (Population: 1,590,402)
Or State populations: https://www.infoplease.com/us/states...lation-by-rank
1 California 39,512,223
2 Texas 28,995,881
3 Florida 21,477,737
4 New York 19,453,561
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
I am just illustrating that the perception of a long standing, perpetual state of warfare between science and religion is totally overblown, and a serious misreading of history.
My thread was about the respective theories of religion of Carl Jung and Sigmund Freud. But if somebody wants to start a thread about the intellectual bankruptcy and corruption of Christian fundamentalists, I will chime in. I have a good working knowlege of corruption and crimes within historical Christian institutions.No serious historians of science today accept the simplistic view of an essential or protracted “warfare” between science and religion.
Christian theology developed certain methods, perspectives, and cultural environments key to modern scientific inquiry. The Christian Church has
provided important institutional support (patronage) for studies of the natural world.
Likewise, science has provided theology with a truer sense of man’s place in the natural world. Christian theology has proven itself remarkably flexible in its ability to adopt, adapt, and explore new scientic findings.
- Professor Lawrence Principe, Historian of Science, Johns Hopkins University
Doc Dutch (06-07-2021)
Agreed. While there has been conflict in the past, most of the anti-religious types are conflating the radical religiosity of American Evangelicals and the Taliban with the vast majority of the world's billions of religious followers.
Example; Most of JPP's RWNJs hate Muslims, think they're all murdering terrorists and want to see all of them dead. All 1.8 BILLION of them. For what? The actions of a few hundred thousand radical Jihadists? That's as fucking stupid as arresting all Trump voters for the Insurrection.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Cypress (06-07-2021)
How do you figure? Why did 74.2M American voters vote for Trump over Biden when there's only about 46M Republicans?
Short answer: Because in a two-party system there's only two viable choices plus either staying home or voting Third Party (as I do). Most people pick one of the two main choices offered to them and, as you can see, the nation is split pretty much 50/50....just like Congress.
"Hatred is a failure of imagination" - Graham Greene, "The Power and the Glory"
Well said.
I have plenty of posts/threads illustrating the ignorance, repression, and unrestrained violence of Muslim and Christian fundamentalists.
I just do not feel an obligation to be relentlessly and incessantly hostile to world Christianity and Islam, especially when I know better than that via my adventures in university higher education and historical scholarship.
Doc Dutch (06-07-2021)
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