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    Quote Originally Posted by Into the Night View Post
    Inversion fallacy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    You're wrong. You're creating a false equivalency here.

    Atheism and theism are not equal. Atheism is the result of observing the world around us. Theism is fairy tales about how we wish the world to be. There is no observable phenomenon that makes us wonder if there is a god or gods. In fact, asking if there is a god is an unjustified question because there's absolutely nothing to compel us to even ask it. It's like asking if "the Force" is real, or if Peter Pan's Neverland is real.
    Michael, one of the possibilities of the REALITY of existence...is that gods exist.

    You are asserting "there is no GOD."

    YOU bear the burden of proof for that assertion.

    As for your, "There is no observable phenomenon that makes us wonder if there is a god or gods"...well, perhaps you are not the curious type. But most intelligent people are...and there is nothing wrong with "wondering" if a god exists or not.

    It appears, in fact, that a vast majority of the smartest people who have ever lived on this planet have "wondered" about it.

    Aristotle wondered about it. Thomas Aquinas wondered about it. Isaac Newton wondered about it. Albert Einstein wondered about it, Carl Sagan wondered about it. Steven Hawking wondered about it. Neal deGrasse Tyson wonders about it.

    If you are going to make an assertion like "There are no gods" be prepared to substantiate it, because that is your obligation in a discussion of this sort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    It's been obliterated by scholars for over a hundred years. We know that Jesus himself is most likely pure myth.
    Thanks for the thread.

    Good to see a good healthy discussion, well represented & participated in........

    Some food for thought:

    WHY SCIENCE DOES NOT DISPROVE GOD
    BY AMIR D. ACZEL ‧ RELEASE DATE: APRIL 15, 2014

    Mathematician Aczel (A Strange Wilderness: The Lives of the Great Mathematicians, 2011, etc.) debated atheist Richard Dawkins in 2010. Here, he presents his arguments, and prominent atheists, Dawkins above all, do not come out well.

    Aczel wins the rematch by the infallible technique of misstating his opponent. Science cannot “disprove” anything; only mathematicians do that. Scientists gather evidence and weigh it. While evidence (i.e., arguments) favoring God’s absence exists, in the end, disbelief is a matter of opinion. However, there’s no denying that the “new atheists,” like other pugnacious militants from the tea party to Islamic activists, favor vivid arguments that stretch the truth
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill View Post
    Thanks for the thread.

    Good to see a good healthy discussion, well represented & participated in........

    Some food for thought:

    WHY SCIENCE DOES NOT DISPROVE GOD
    BY AMIR D. ACZEL ‧ RELEASE DATE: APRIL 15, 2014

    Mathematician Aczel (A Strange Wilderness: The Lives of the Great Mathematicians, 2011, etc.) debated atheist Richard Dawkins in 2010. Here, he presents his arguments, and prominent atheists, Dawkins above all, do not come out well.

    Aczel wins the rematch by the infallible technique of misstating his opponent. Science cannot “disprove” anything; only mathematicians do that. Scientists gather evidence and weigh it. While evidence (i.e., arguments) favoring God’s absence exists, in the end, disbelief is a matter of opinion. However, there’s no denying that the “new atheists,” like other pugnacious militants from the tea party to Islamic activists, favor vivid arguments that stretch the truth
    Science deals with physical nature. So unless God is a physical object, science has nothing to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yakuda View Post
    Prove it
    "There is no question former President Trump bears moral responsibility. His supporters stormed the Capitol because of the unhinged falsehoods he shouted into the world’s largest megaphone," McConnell wrote. "His behavior during and after the chaos was also unconscionable, from attacking Vice President Mike Pence during the riot to praising the criminals after it ended."



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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Michael, one of the possibilities of the REALITY of existence...is that gods exist.

    You are asserting "there is no GOD."

    YOU bear the burden of proof for that assertion.

    As for your, "There is no observable phenomenon that makes us wonder if there is a god or gods"...well, perhaps you are not the curious type. But most intelligent people are...and there is nothing wrong with "wondering" if a god exists or not.

    It appears, in fact, that a vast majority of the smartest people who have ever lived on this planet have "wondered" about it.

    Aristotle wondered about it. Thomas Aquinas wondered about it. Isaac Newton wondered about it. Albert Einstein wondered about it, Carl Sagan wondered about it. Steven Hawking wondered about it. Neal deGrasse Tyson wonders about it.

    If you are going to make an assertion like "There are no gods" be prepared to substantiate it, because that is your obligation in a discussion of this sort.
    So everything I wrote went over your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    Science deals with physical nature. So unless God is a physical object, science has nothing to say.
    There is nothing "beyond" the physical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    There is nothing "beyond" the physical.
    Sure. I did not say there is something "beyond." But there is something different from the physical.

    The qbit, the quantum bit, is a physical particle which necessarily contains information. Quantum mechanics shows that there is not purely physical event.

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    Quote Originally Posted by votebiden View Post
    Sure. I did not say there is something "beyond." But there is something different from the physical.

    The qbit, the quantum bit, is a physical particle which necessarily contains information. Quantum mechanics shows that there is not purely physical event.
    Lol. Just stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    Lol. Just stop.
    Look, you are just a dumb fucking asshole. Clearly you are here to antagonize and troll. Buzz off.

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    I love it when lib'ruls feed on their own.....
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    “Woe to me!” I cried. “I am ruined! For I am a man of unclean lips, and I live among a people of unclean lips, and my eyes have seen the King, the Lord Almighty.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet View Post
    I love it when lib'ruls feed on their own.....
    It is called debate. Something you fascists know nothing about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    You seem to be putting words in my mouth.

    I wrote nothing which could remotely be construed to suggest that the physical matter and energy in the universe must conflict in any way with the higher truths held by Buddhists, Christians, Jews, or indigenous American shamans.
    Lie. You wrote exactly that. Like usual, you are denying your own arguments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    The thing about a higher truth, an ultimate reality, or the meaning of life - if they exist - is that we will never find out what it is.

    Scientific knowledge is always provisional.

    Reason has its limitations.

    Our cognitive capacity is limited - we are just evolutionarily evolved smart chimpanzees.


    But it is the search for knowlege and higher truth is the fun part - it is what makes us truly human.
    There is no absolute 'reality'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael_Panetta View Post
    No. That's not how it works.
    That is how it works. You made a positive statement. The burden of proof is on you.
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