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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    You mean the books written by desert nomads over the course of a few thousand years? Prove I'm wrong. Prove the Bible is 100% accurate....despite what science says.

    IMO, God created the Universe and set it up to create intelligent beings. We have brains; the expectation by God is that we should use them.

    Hard to believe that God wants Catholic Priests, who rape children, to be our moral leaders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.
    jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Hard to believe that God wants Catholic Priests, who rape children, to be our moral leaders.
    God doesn't, at least not an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God. I think the premise posted in the OP is most accurate:
    Quote Originally Posted by Cypress View Post
    ...the goal of human life is union with the divine....
    How can that happen if God keeps playing favorites or breaking the rules of the Natural Universe?

    It's like creating a board game and holding all players to the rules but allowing one person to cheat. It doesn't make sense for an intelligent, loving power to do such a thing.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce
    Jesus was Jesus. How can he be a failed anything anymore than any other person?
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. How can God be all knowing, all powerful and all loving yet plays favorites and sends dumbasses to Hell for eternity? It doesn't fit.
    that is a christer concept burning for eternity
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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    jesus was a failed messiah christians made him a godman in 325 ce
    The concept of a messiah is the failure. Jesus was just a Jewish religious teacher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by guno View Post
    that is a christer concept burning for eternity
    Good thing they ain't in charge, eh? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    The concept of a messiah is the failure. Jesus was just a Jewish religious teacher.
    Agreed. It's like saying Lincoln was a failure. Lincoln was Lincoln. He did what he did. What others say about him isn't his fault.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    God doesn't, at least not an all powerful, all knowing, all loving God. I think the premise posted in the OP is most accurate: How can that happen if God keeps playing favorites or breaking the rules of the Natural Universe?

    It's like creating a board game and holding all players to the rules but allowing one person to cheat. It doesn't make sense for an intelligent, loving power to do such a thing.
    This is one of my favorite dodges of the fundamentals. If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how are we seeing light from a star that is millions of light years away. Their answer? God did a one time speed up just for us. LOL. It's just absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. It's like saying Lincoln was a failure. Lincoln was Lincoln. He did what he did. What others say about him isn't his fault.
    some say Trump is a good president...stuff like that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Concart View Post
    This is one of my favorite dodges of the fundamentals. If the universe is only 6,000 years old, then how are we seeing light from a star that is millions of light years away. Their answer? God did a one time speed up just for us. LOL. It's just absurd.
    Agreed. It's absurd and completely contradicts the brains people are born with. The same people will claim that Jonah lived inside a whale, that all lifeforms on Earth were aboard Noah's Ark and that dinosaur fossils are the Devil's work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    some say Trump is a good president...stuff like that
    Agreed. Similar people will claim Trump is destroying the United States, will declare martial law and set himself up as dictator, blah, blah, blah. They are partisans who react on emotion, not logic.
    God bless America and those who defend our Constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. It's absurd and completely contradicts the brains people are born with. The same people will claim that Jonah lived inside a whale, that all lifeforms on Earth were aboard Noah's Ark and that dinosaur fossils are the Devil's work.
    We had a poster here who believed animals swam to Noah from Australia, dinosaurs were on the ark and animals were in suspended animation so Noah didn’t have to feed them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksonsprat22 View Post
    Jewish Bible names themselves as chosen by God. And, you know, Jesus was a Jew.
    And ?
    "Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything." Joseph Stalin
    The USA has lost WWIV to China with no other weapons but China Virus and some cash to buy democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dutch Uncle View Post
    Agreed. Similar people will claim Trump is destroying the United States, will declare martial law and set himself up as dictator, blah, blah, blah. They are partisans who react on emotion, not logic.
    Yes, ignore his impeachment. Only third in US history. Fake news.

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