RIP Julian Assange: comment

[sear]

"There's got to be someone, somewhere who can/will "whisk him away" to some sort of safe place." S #19

Hasn't Putin got Snowden?

Do you suppose China might like to host Asange? Candidly the way Trump's diplomacy is going, Chancellor Merkel might take Asange.

[Aarr!]

I believe that Assange now has Ecuadorian citizenship. The British police do not have a warrant out for him since Sweden dropped the rape case. But Ecuador is going to hand him over anyway?

[moon]

My take is that the English have instructions to detain Assange and find a way to hand him over to the US. Even though he has the support of the United Nations and the spurious Swedish charges against him have been dropped the excuse for arresting him is that he breached his bail conditions by entering the Ecuadorian embassy. That is, of course, a vindictive and contrived technicality as he is actually innocent of any crime.
It has cost the UK government many many millions of dollars to deprive him of his liberty. I guess that Washington will reimburse them upon his arrival at a US kangaroo court.

[Mott the Hoople]

What I’d like to know is how he is even remotely subject to US law?

[Lesh]

Assange is a POS Russian agent

[moon]

Hasn't Putin got Snowden?

Do you suppose China might like to host Asange? Candidly the way Trump's diplomacy is going, Chancellor Merkel might take Asange.

Congratulations upon maintaining the principle of free speech.
I see that Leg-iron has banned half the forum from commenting in his thread. Haw, haw.....haw.

[moon]

Mike Pompeo once said that while WikiLeaks “pretended that America’s First Amendment freedoms shield them from justice . . . they may have believed that, but they are wrong.”

https://www.rt.com/news/433918-ecuad...nt-uk-assange/

And the same goes for you, dear Reader.

[dukkha]

The court - rightly as it turned out - had a fear Mr Assange would not surrender himself to the court and to ensure his attendance the conditions suggested by his lawyers were put in place.”

Assange’s lawyers had argued he had good reason to fear rendition - rather than extradition - to the US where some officials were calling for the death penalty.

“I do not find that Mr Assange’s fears were reasonable,” Arbuthnot said.
If, instead, the US had requested Assange’s extradition, he could challenge it by arguing that he would not receive a fair trial or proper conditions of detention.

Assange’s team also relied on an exchange of emails uncovered by an investigative journalist, in which a lawyer with the Crown Prosecution Service in the UK argued that Sweden should keep trying to arrest Assange.
https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/...14-p4z08j.html
Fugitive Julian Assange 'considers himself above the law': judge

A UK judge has dashed Julian Assange's hopes of throwing out an arrest warrant against him, scolding the Wikileaks editor for considering himself "above the law" and "wanting justice only if it goes in his favour".

In the Westminster Magistrates Court, Judge Emma Arbuthnot also heavily criticised a 2015 ruling by a United Nations panel that said Assange was under arbitrary detention in Ecuador's London embassy where he sought asylum in 2012 and has stayed ever since.

Assange’s lawyer Mark Summers QC had argued that the arrest warrant should be dropped because it was not in the interests of “justice and proportionality” to bring an action against Assange.

He said Assange had already undergone enough punishment as a result of staying in the small embassy for more than five years.

Arbuthnot accepted that Assange has a “serious tooth problem and is in need of dental treatment and needs an MRI scan on a shoulder which has been described as frozen”, and that he has depression and suffers respiratory infections.

i'm not even sure what the deal is anymore

[Irish Exit]

What I’d like to know is how he is even remotely subject to US law?

Federal Long Arm Statute

[moon]

Assange’s lawyers had argued he had good reason to fear rendition - rather than extradition - to the US where some officials were calling for the death penalty.

That is still the case. Foreign confidence in the US system of justice is shot.

[Mott the Hoople]

Federal Long Arm Statute

How does that apply to a non resident non citizen?

[Irish Exit]

How does that apply to a non resident non citizen?

I don't know if there is a sealed indictment out there for him TBH, just that the grand jury in the US investigating him did so in relation to Chelsea Manning and the Espionage Act. The federal statute bootstraps onto any state statutes and some of them are very broad. I read an article once that said that 95% of the internet users in the country at one point was subject to Virginia's jurisdiction related to anything involving the internet because so much of it goes through the state in the DC suburbs and it is where AOL was based at the time. People fail to appreciate how contrived federal law is anyway crafting offenses that may not even be offenses off the fact that people used a telephone or the internet at some point in doing the thing the federal government didn't like.

[Mott the Hoople]

I don't know if there is a sealed indictment out there for him TBH, just that the grand jury in the US investigating him did so in relation to Chelsea Manning and the Espionage Act. The federal statute bootstraps onto any state statutes and some of them are very broad. I read an article once that said that 95% of the internet users in the country at one point was subject to Virginia's jurisdiction related to anything involving the internet because so much of it goes through the state in the DC suburbs and it is where AOL was based at the time. People fail to appreciate how contrived federal law is anyway crafting offenses that may not even be offenses off the fact that people used a telephone or the internet at some point in doing the thing the federal government didn't like.

Thanks but that didn’t really answer my question. Also, I thought the long arm statute only applies in civil litigation?

[Irish Exit]

Thanks but that didn’t really answer my question. Also, I thought the long arm statute only applies in civil litigation?

Personal jurisdiction is personal jurisdiction. If you conspire with person X to commit a crime then you are not protected from prosecution because you did it from a telephone booth in Antarctica. Like I said however, I have never heard anything about the indictments being issued, so it must be under seal.

[Aarr!]

Foreign confidence in the US system of justice is shot.

It beats confidence in the Russian system of justice, lol.