The Astonishingly High Administrative Costs of U.S. Health Care

[Jack]

That IS a big part of the problem.

Another part is the scare tactic of "socialism."

I am a capitalist...have been all my life.

But if the capitalistic system is unable to deal with this problem (AND IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM) then give the problem to socialism to deal with.

If we have to turn the entire medical care system into a socialistic one...we should do it.

Personally, I would rather capitalism lead the way...albeit, a modified form of capitalism...one incorporating many of the socialistic aspects in order to solve special problems like the medicare one.

Is the American Public Education System 'socialism'? Public owned buildings. State paid Teachers. Free to every child.

Frank: "Another part is the scare tactic of "socialism." "
Jack: Yeah. The Lobbyists do a good job with that.

The American Public Health System could be: Public owned buildings (Hospitals and Clinics). State paid Doctors (and Nurses). Free to every person.

Like Public Schools, there is a limit. There's no guarantee of a University education. I would expect the same would be true of a Public Health System.

[Irish Exit]

THE most expensive, THE most inefficient, THE most predatory health"care" system on the planet amongst advanced post-industrial nations. Tens of thousands of americans die every year due to lack of access to adequate health"care" in THE wealthiest nation the planet has ever known.

Our societal approach to health"care and poverty as we wage endless war and occupation across the planet speaks loudly and clearly as to what american values really are.

Yes we have an absolutely wretched system, but at least some people get decent care in the end.

"Hospitals are suffering serious shortages of vital medical equipment such as ventilators, pumps to administer drugs, and oxygen cylinders during the NHS’s ongoing winter crisis, the Guardian can reveal.

The surge in numbers of people needing care has also led to some hospitals running out of beds for patients to sleep in, mattresses to lie on and trolleys to use while they wait for admission.

NHS England has said the service is under the most strain it has faced since the 1990s. Patients have faced long waits for beds on trolleys in overcrowded hospitals, more than 100,000 patients have been stuck in ambulances waiting to get into an A&E unit, and senior doctors have written to Theresa May warning that patients have been “dying prematurely” in hospital corridors.

For example, Southmead hospital in Bristol has recently faced shortages of equipment including syringe drivers – which staff use to give drugs to dying patients – drip stands, infusion pumps – which ensure patients receive correct doses of fluids and medication – oxygen cylinders, and pressure-relieving mattresses, which help to prevent bed sores." ( https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ital-equipment )


I mean why can't we be more like the UK and let the rich people die in the hallways with the poor.

[Loving91390]

America's doctors expect to be wealthy .....

[CFM]

THE most expensive, THE most inefficient, THE most predatory health"care" system on the planet amongst advanced post-industrial nations. Tens of thousands of americans die every year due to lack of access to adequate health"care" in THE wealthiest nation the planet has ever known.

Our societal approach to health"care and poverty as we wage endless war and occupation across the planet speaks loudly and clearly as to what american values really are.

You should get started with the personal funding on behalf of all of them.

Interesting how when you say societal approach it comes out an unwillingness on your part to personally do what YOU say should be done for those for which you claim to care. 

Isn't personal responsibility an American value? Why do you support the rest of us being forced to fund something for people who show irresponsibility by not providing themselves with something it's their place to provide? It's not the taxpayers responsibility to provide people who won't do for themselves whatever they want.

[Fentoine Lum]

Yes we have an absolutely wretched system, but at least some people get decent care in the end.

"Hospitals are suffering serious shortages of vital medical equipment such as ventilators, pumps to administer drugs, and oxygen cylinders during the NHS’s ongoing winter crisis, the Guardian can reveal.

The surge in numbers of people needing care has also led to some hospitals running out of beds for patients to sleep in, mattresses to lie on and trolleys to use while they wait for admission.

NHS England has said the service is under the most strain it has faced since the 1990s. Patients have faced long waits for beds on trolleys in overcrowded hospitals, more than 100,000 patients have been stuck in ambulances waiting to get into an A&E unit, and senior doctors have written to Theresa May warning that patients have been “dying prematurely” in hospital corridors.

For example, Southmead hospital in Bristol has recently faced shortages of equipment including syringe drivers – which staff use to give drugs to dying patients – drip stands, infusion pumps – which ensure patients receive correct doses of fluids and medication – oxygen cylinders, and pressure-relieving mattresses, which help to prevent bed sores." ( https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ital-equipment )


I mean why can't we be more like the UK and let the rich people die in the hallways with the poor.

Funny how no one can ever really defend ours.

[Fentoine Lum]

You should get started with the personal funding on behalf of all of them.

Interesting how when you say societal approach it comes out an unwillingness on your part to personally do what YOU say should be done for those for which you claim to care.

Isn't personal responsibility an American value? Why do you support the rest of us being forced to fund something for people who show irresponsibility by not providing themselves with something it's their place to provide? It's not the taxpayers responsibility to provide people who won't do for themselves whatever they want.

Not for you it's not, you exercise no personal responsibility for anything. That's what all your incessant blaming of others is for, so you have no personal responsibility to face up to. Ever.

[CFM]

Not for you it's not, you exercise no personal responsibility for anything. That's what all your incessant blaming of others is for, so you have no personal responsibility to face up to. Ever.

I'm not the one on this forum constantly talking about how society should provide people with things they won't provide themselves. Perhaps that's because you want society to provide them to YOU.

[CFM]

Funny how no one can ever really defend ours.

I defend MY healthcare. $1000 out of pocket max. Never been turned down for a claim. If I need to see a doctor, I can see the best. Damn sure don't support giving that up so some schlub that wants theirs for less will cost me more.

[Fentoine Lum]

I'm not the one on this forum constantly talking about how society should provide people with things they won't provide themselves. Perhaps that's because you want society to provide them to YOU.

Society should provide? Your society subsidizes the aristocracy by economically cannibalizing society at large son. We redistribute societal wealth to the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class. And the entire world knows what america really is.

[Lesh]

Sadly many Americans have little clue of the huge admin costs associated with healthcare.



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/u...h-care-us.html

That's what you get with a for profit system.

And then there's Medicare...that cares for the oldest and sickest Americans and operates on a 3% administrative cost

[CFM]

Society should provide? Your society subsidizes the aristocracy by economically cannibalizing society at large son. We redistribute societal wealth to the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class. And the entire world knows what america really is.

Again, it's easy to prove I'm not your son.

You can't redistribute something to a group that is constantly expected to pay a higher proportion to society than they should while the freeloaders on the other end of society regularly beg for something while contributing nothing to society.

[Lesh]

That's what you get with a for profit system.

And then there's Medicare...that cares for the oldest and sickest Americans and operates on a 3% administrative cost

Ignore the flame wars. It's an intentional distraction

[Fentoine Lum]

I defend MY healthcare. $1000 out of pocket max. Never been turned down for a claim. If I need to see a doctor, I can see the best. Damn sure don't support giving that up so some schlub that wants theirs for less will cost me more.

Gee that's wonderful.

https://www.theatlantic.com/business...-bills/530679/

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/06/u...ical-debt.html

https://www.curbed.com/2017/6/26/158...t-foreclosures

[Jack]

That's what you get with a for profit system.

And then there's Medicare...that cares for the oldest and sickest Americans and operates on a 3% administrative cost

"And then there's Medicare...that cares for the oldest and sickest Americans and operates on a 3% administrative cost"
That needs to be said again. The GOVERNMENT is the 'Insurance Company'.

[Fentoine Lum]

Again, it's easy to prove I'm not your son.

You can't redistribute something to a group that is constantly expected to pay a higher proportion to society than they should while the freeloaders on the other end of society regularly beg for something while contributing nothing to society.

I agree, we should cut off the Wall Street/donor/"job creator" class and make them earn their keep.