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    Default The Astonishingly High Administrative Costs of U.S. Health Care

    Sadly many Americans have little clue of the huge admin costs associated with healthcare.

    It takes only a glance at a hospital bill or at the myriad choices you may have for health care coverage to get a sense of the bewildering complexity of health care financing in the United States. That complexity doesn’t just exact a cognitive cost. It also comes with administrative costs that are largely hidden from view but that we all pay.

    Because they’re not directly related to patient care, we rarely think about administrative costs. They’re high.

    A widely cited study published in The New England Journal of Medicine used data from 1999 to estimate that about 30 percent of American health care expenditures were the result of administration, about twice what it is in Canada. If the figures hold today, they mean that out of the average of about $19,000 that U.S. workers and their employers pay for family coverage each year, $5,700 goes toward administrative costs.

    Such costs aren’t all bad. Some are tied up in things we may want, such as creating a quality improvement program. Others are for things we may dislike — for example, figuring out which of our claims to accept or reject or sending us bills. Others are just necessary, like processing payments; hiring and managing doctors and other employees; or maintaining information systems.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/u...h-care-us.html

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    THE most expensive, THE most inefficient, THE most predatory health"care" system on the planet amongst advanced post-industrial nations. Tens of thousands of americans die every year due to lack of access to adequate health"care" in THE wealthiest nation the planet has ever known.

    Our societal approach to health"care and poverty as we wage endless war and occupation across the planet speaks loudly and clearly as to what american values really are.

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    Don't Worry, Trump can Fix It ... just be patient, he has a Wall to Build First.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Sadly many Americans have little clue of the huge admin costs associated with healthcare.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/u...h-care-us.html
    It's all about what we want.

    1. Profits made from sick people.
    2. Making sick people healthy.

    Think of the Interstate System.

    1. We could put Toll Booths every 10 miles ... and make Profits from Travelers.
    2. We could all chip in and get Travelers from point A to B in the shortest amount of time.

    It's all about what you want the end result to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bourbon View Post
    Don't Worry, Trump can Fix It ... just be patient, he has a Wall to Build First.
    Nieto's check show up yet?

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    we know..Single pay is the only sane way

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    we know..Single pay is the only sane way
    It's not like the Americans have to reinvent the wheel. There's like 18 National Health Care Systems in existence they can pick from if they're too stupid to figure it out for themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    we know..Single pay is the only sane way
    Yes I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Sadly many Americans have little clue of the huge admin costs associated with healthcare.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/u...h-care-us.html

    Don't forget INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS. ObamaCare is now gutted so we are back to square one. MEDICARE FOR ALL WOULD HAVE FIXED THIS 20 YEARS AGO!
    WK1 3/28-/4 _Cases 301k--Dead 18.1k Lethality 2.72%
    WK2 4/5-/13 _Cases 555k--Dead 22.1K Lethality 3.9%
    WK3 4/20-/21 Cases 774k -Dead 37.2K Lethality 4.8%
    WK4 4/22-/29 Cases 1M --Dead 58.8K Lethality 5.9%
    WK5 5/1-/8__ Cases 1.3M -Dead 75.7K Lethality 6.1%
    WK6 5/9-16__Cases 1.4M --Dead 85.8K Lethality 6.1%
    WK7 5/17-24_Cases 1.7M - Dead 97.6K Lethality 5.9%
    WK8 5/28 Cases 1.7M - DEAD 101.2K - Same

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Yes I agree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    Don't forget INSURANCE COMPANY PROFITS. ObamaCare is now gutted so we are back to square one. MEDICARE FOR ALL WOULD HAVE FIXED THIS 20 YEARS AGO!
    'Medicare for All' eliminates the Insurance companies, but doesn't address for-profit Hospitals or exorbitant Doctor fees.

    I'd like to hear from Havana Moon on his thoughts about 'Public' Hospitals and a 'State Salary' for Doctors.
    (something like we traditionally have for the Public School System)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    'Medicare for All' eliminates the Insurance companies, but doesn't address for-profit Hospitals or exorbitant Doctor fees.

    I'd like to hear from Havana Moon on his thoughts about 'Public' Hospitals and a 'State Salary' for Doctors.
    (something like we traditionally have for the Public School System)
    Medical schools completely financed by the government...with free tuition for people who qualify...AND A SALARY to the students.

    Run it like the service academies...like cadets or midshipmen.

    At graduation...a 10 year obligation at an attractive salary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frank Apisa View Post
    Medical schools completely financed by the government...with free tuition for people who qualify...AND A SALARY to the students.

    Run it like the service academies...like cadets or midshipmen.

    At graduation...a 10 year obligation at an attractive salary.
    Excellant idea, Frank.

    We're in an ideal situation. Other countries have already established National Health Care Systems. How easy would it be to analyze the other Systems and then model ours on the one that is the most user-friendly and efficient?

    I think our problem is the Lobbyists for the Health Profession.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack View Post
    Excellant idea, Frank.

    We're in an ideal situation. Other countries have already established National Health Care Systems. How easy would it be to analyze the other Systems and then model ours on the one that is the most user-friendly and efficient?

    I think our problem is the Lobbyists for the Health Profession.
    That IS a big part of the problem.

    Another part is the scare tactic of "socialism."

    I am a capitalist...have been all my life.

    But if the capitalistic system is unable to deal with this problem (AND IT IS A HUGE PROBLEM) then give the problem to socialism to deal with.

    If we have to turn the entire medical care system into a socialistic one...we should do it.

    Personally, I would rather capitalism lead the way...albeit, a modified form of capitalism...one incorporating many of the socialistic aspects in order to solve special problems like the medicare one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Havana Moon View Post
    Sadly many Americans have little clue of the huge admin costs associated with healthcare.



    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/16/u...h-care-us.html
    Stick to climate

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