Frank Apisa (07-20-2018)
meh. I could care less..it's Kabuki outrage by the Dems -"treason" and so forth.
What you should be worried about is Trump's desire to make some accommodation with Putin is being de-railed by the hawks.
The top of the food chain is John Bolton, and he thinks we should be "tough on Russia" just because..
I see a lot of shit about "who is tougher -Obama or Trump" *barf*
J Craft (07-20-2018)
Darth Omar (07-20-2018)
anatta (07-20-2018), countryboy (07-20-2018), J Craft (07-20-2018)
No.
How in the world do you think this is comparable? Trump gets concrete evidence that Russia interfered in our election, stands at a podium in a public news conference, disparages our intel community, apologizes for America and TAKES PUTIN'S SIDE over our intel.
Besides, I've already told you - all I did was criticize Obama on foreign policy. I didn't spend every day defending him and making excuses for him, as you do for Trump. I don't know why you think "but Obama!" is working.
Obama’s flexibility comment was worse than Trump’s comments, and here’s why:
Obama’s comment implied future action that would *benefit Russia*. Set aside the hysteria over Trump’s dissing of the IC in front of Putin, when it’s all said and done, Trump’s sin was committing what amounted to a social faux pas on the world stage.
In other words, it entailed no further action beyond mere words. And in fact, Putin has every reason to wish Obama was back in office with Obama’s false Red Lines in Syria, sitting on his hands while Putin annexes Ukraine and etc.
Trump’s Helsinki statement had absolutely no practical benefit to Putin.
Coup has started. First of many steps. Impeachment will follow ultimately~WB attorney Mark Zaid, January 2017
That you choose to ignore it to avoid being a hypocrite doesn't make it less relevant.
Obama met in private with Putin with only interpreters. Where was the outrage? Did you express outrage?
Oh wait, I am sure that you will say "Putin didn't attack us" right?
Why can't you just be honest and say that it doesn't matter what the issue is, you will always seek a way to criticize Trump even if it is inconsistent with how you reacted to the same behaviors of Obama.
Had Trump turned to Putin and called him a liar, today you would be screaming at the top of your lungs about how "Trump is risking NUCLEAR WAR by calling out Putin"
You aren't taken seriously
I'm going to save this for whenever anyone on the board asks me for an example of "hopelessly partisan."
Someday, we'll have to discuss the alternate universe where Obama had that kind of press conference w/ Putin, and talk radio/Fox blew up, screaming that he was on a world apology tour, gave comfort to the enemy on foreign soil, was really a Muslim in disguise (and hey, you know that one, right?), and took sides with tyrants over the U.S. Oh, and where you & anatta were starting a few threads a day agreeing & talking about what a traitor he was, and how Democrats in general were weak on foreign policy.
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