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Yes I do. All the official stats show the crime rate down. I have given several links below. Because Trump lied about it does not mean the stats are phony. You have no evidence they are false nor do you have any evidence American intelligence said they were false and Trump presented no evidence they are false. You are somewhat naive to believe everything the government (president) tells you is true. I seriously doubt Trump checked with American intelligence before making that claim since he often just talks off the top of his head.
https://www.bmi.bund.de/SharedDocs/p...-pmk-2017.html
https://www.politico.eu/article/germ...st-since-1992/
https://www.dw.com/en/germany-crime-...ses/a-43692277
I am and was already aware the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy’s definition – indeed I visited that same page during a search only yesterday. The problem with philosophy, especially from a Leftist University, is that we can argue about truth and objectivity about anything and everything until the cows come home, and the debate will never end. That is why we do not use their model in courts or in newspapers, or for the man in the street. When a person is accused of lying and the matter goes to court, they do not hire philosophers to debate the meaning of the word ‘lie’. They try to prove there was deliberate intent to deceive, and they are happy with that. So the general definition of ‘lie’ is all that is required here. Certainly in the realm of Fake News, with all its numerous mistakes, misquotes and mischievous editing. However, if someone wants to embark on a complex philosophical journey to debate the inner workings of a lie, they may do so. Let them put their argument forward, and may the best man win, as Plato’s neighbor’s cleaning lady used to say.
The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.
The obvious lies that were conscious lies where the lies concerning the porn star and playboy model. And then there is 'would' and 'wouldn't' which is another obvious lie as he knows what he said in Helsinki and it is on record. But Trump snowflakes are weak people and Trump is their strength so they bend reality to defend their boy. Going to the dictionary to show Trump isn't lying is a real suspension of disbelief maneuver. There is no need to show them the lies as snowflakes wanna believe.
"The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words." Philip K. Dick
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"I have never made but one prayer to God, a very short one: 'O Lord make my enemies ridiculous.' And God granted it." Voltaire
Why did Trump say that he SAW "thousands and thousands of people in Jersey City" cheering on 9/11? Was he lying or deluded?
mak2 (07-21-2018)
What about the Republican states? Did they release their records or find any illegals voting? If there is any evidence the states usually report or prosecute. A legal immigrant voted in the Republican primary in Texas and in the general election (Trump lied and said all the illegal votes went to Hillary) and got a six year sentence.
It is not an opinion that millions of illegals voted unless there is some evidence to support that opinion. Calling all lies "opinions" is not proving Trump does not lie, it only shows you are not being honest about the issue.
To make Larrikin happy and eliminate the problem of the definition of a lie, let's just all agree Trump has made hundreds of false statements.
How do you know he did that? You have no evidence. Many of the things you said were not "lies" because somebody told him it was true demonstrates he does little research before making comments. That means it is highly unlikely he factored in inflation, cost of living, etc.
He said "raise." He did not say "adjusted for inflation. However, it is highly likely that some of the other years since 1981 their raise covered inflation.
"U.S. Code dictates a rather complex equation for military pay raises, based on the Employment Cost Index, a measure compiled by the Bureau of Labor Statistics to track the costs of labor for businesses. Military pay increases by "the percentage (rounded to the nearest one-tenth of one percent) by which the ECI for the base quarter of the year before the preceding year exceeds the ECI for the base quarter of the second year before the preceding calendar year (if at all)". Specifically, the code states that the ECI for wages and salaries of private industry workers will be used. Essentially, when the ECI goes up, so does military pay, so that military salaries do not fall behind civilian ones. After an 11-year string of increases that slightly exceeded average private sector annual raises, Army Deputy Chief of Staff for Personnel Lt. Gen. Thomas Bostick said that, "We actually think we have a surplus in terms of pay." The Department of Defense announced increases in military housing allowances, family support programs, and child care and tuition assistance for military families in the 2011 budget request, many of which outpace the base pay increase."
Cypress (07-21-2018)
Trump said they are covering up the real stats, which makes those stats you refer to false. You are helping communist Merkel with her lie, and you are stabbing your President in the back which is treason. Compiling false stats from communist Merkel does not a liar Trump make. Learn what a lie is. As far as Trump is concerned Merkel is covering her increased crime rate over to improve her coming election results. That’s opinion, not “lying”.
The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.
Provide a link where Trump said they are covering up the real stats. The U. S. stats show the same thing--that the crime rate has been declining since the early 1990s---does that mean Trump is covering up the real U. S. crime rate? Merkel is not a communist and Trump claims they have a very good relationship. Again, Trump is caught giving false information and your only defense is that Trump has "secret information" to the contrary. But he cited no stats and did not say the German stats are wrong.
People are entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts. You are the only one claiming the stats are false. And calling the president on his lies is not treason--it is truth.
Trump hasn’t dropped that claim, and I didn’t say I will own Mars. I said 'If I say, "One day I will own Mars," it isn't a lie. It's a statement nobody can prove or disprove.'
In Trump’s case he said Mexico will pay for the wall, and indeed, Mexico will pay for the wall. He didn’t put a time limit on it. More importantly, even if Mexico didn’t eventually pay for it (which they will), you STILL can’t say it’s a lie unless you have the ability to get inside Trump’s head and discover his intent. If he meant what he said (which he did), then he was not lying, regardless of whether people succeed in stopping him building the wall.
This comes down to your failure to understand what a lie is in common law and in common language. Putting aside Stanford’s left winged professors of philosophy and going with the standard definition of ‘lie’, used by courts (and the media who construct your lists of alleged Trump Lies), the definition in dictionaries clearly defines a lie as having a deliberate intent to deceive. So if I promise my wife to have a picnic tomorrow, meaning it fully, believing it fully, and then tomorrow it rains, and I have to cancel, I am not a liar despite your screeching insistence I am.
Fictitious Scene: Walmart. Rob and Flash bump into each other.
Rob: Hey Flash.
Flash: How are you Rob?
Rob: Not bad. We’re going on a picnic tomorrow. Promised the wife.
Flash: That’s great. Have a great time.
Rob: Will do.
Next day: Walmart again. Rain is pouring down outside.
Flash: Hi Rob. I thought you were going on a picnic.
Rob: [points to rain outside window] Yeah, well…
Flash: So you lied?
Rob: What’s that?
Flash: You lied. You’re a filthy liar.
Rob: It’s pouring down rain outside!
Flash: You promised your wife and now you broke your promise. So you lied.
Rob: When I promised I meant it, so I wasn’t lying. Shit happens. Sometimes you have to change your plans.
Flash: Nope. You’re a liar.
Rob: Nonsense. You just don’t know the meaning of the word ‘liar’.
Flash: I do too! It’s when you say something that’s not true.
Rob: So when George Washington said, “They’ll never make a better gun than this,” about his musket, he was a liar?”
Flash: Er… yes, if he said that.
Rob: [Grabs dictionary from shelf] Look here. [flips through book]
Flash: What’s that?
Rob: It’s called a dictionary.
Flash: Okay well what does it say?
Rob: [reads] “Lie: To present false information with the intention of deceiving.”
Flash: Must be foreign.
Rob: Nope. The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Flash: Fuck.
Rob: Hey, don’t feel too bad. It’s your English teacher’s fault.
Flash: Yeah?
Rob: Did she teach any English?
Flash: Nope. Feminism, environmentalism, socialism, most of the ‘isms’.
Rob: But no English?
Flash: No, she said that was racist.
Rob: Hokay. Well, that’s why you don’t understand what a lie is.
Flash: That’s amazing. You learn something every day.
Rob: Newsflash Flash: words have definitions.
Flash: Okay, you don’t have to rub it in…
The first witchdoctor 100,000 years ago said, "God did it," and today the Pope says the same thing.
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