Hey, there are good people on "both sides." Where have we heard that one before?
To their credit, at least quite a few on the GOP side are starting to speak up about this.
Hey, there are good people on "both sides." Where have we heard that one before?
To their credit, at least quite a few on the GOP side are starting to speak up about this.
ThatOwlWoman (07-16-2018)
Would you at least admit, if this was Obama asking for Russia to hack Trump's emails -- and they did the same day -- would you concede that you would find that proof that Obama conspired with Russia?
Because right now, you Trump lovers believe 100% Obama conspired with Putin with ZERO evidence
Have you seen this magical evidence then? You're assuming it exists. I'm not going to make an assumption on the existence of something. Until there's confirmation that there is evidence, then you proceed as if there is no evidence. A cornerstone of the criminal justice system is innocent until proven guilty.
I said no connection. As in no connection to the crimes they're indicted for. Which is in the report that Mueller released. So if his report is lying to me..... then idk where you got your information from.
So, this is sea-lioning.
Mueller's indictment makes it clear that Roger Stone was in contact with the GRU, as was a "Congressional candidate" who wanted to get hacked info on their opponent.
Whether or not they are named in that indictment doesn't mean they won't be named in future indictments. In fact, Roger Stone even said he thinks he'll get indicted soon.
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ThatOwlWoman (07-16-2018)
So the simple solution is for Trump to secure the extradition of these Russians so they can stand trial and either deny the evidence laid out before them, or be exonerated through a trial.
"No connection"?
The Mueller indictment says there was an intermediary between the GRU and Trump's advisors who is captured in e-mails with Trump advisors discussing the Russian hack in point #44 of the indictment.
And again, this indictment is just for the Russians who attacked us. But the indictment does seem to set up that there was collusion among some Americans; Roger Stone at least, and this "Congressional candidate".
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Russia will never allow Russian citizens to be extradited for trial.
Emailing about the Russian hacks isn't illegal.
Collusion isn't illegal. The term collusion is exactly the reason why you can make assumptions or predictions based on no known evidence. Because its not actually a crime. Conspiracy is an alternative that is actually a crime. But then the investigators and you would have to prove without a doubt of guilt and intent. Which as of right now can't be done. And given the way Comey cleared Hillary, "extreme carelessness", it's likely that it would be impossible to prove conspiracy. Because they can say, "well it wasn't our intent to swing the election. We were just doing oppo research".
But once again, you're making assumptions of guilt based on ifs and maybes. And that is not how the law works. Its not how the criminal justice system works. If you have some magical hidden evidence that no one has seen yet, that proves guilt without a shadow of a doubt, please provide it. Otherwise wait for Mueller to release whatever it is he has or wait for him to announce there's nothing to find. Until then, you cannot assume guilt. Innocent until proven guilty. Not the other way around.
Are you truly this ignorant of American history and the end of the cold war? There were many things that contributed to the end one of which was joint respect between the two leaders. Only idiots think power is the only means of diplomacy. Looks like you are one of the power makes right crowd.
Yes....it is embarrassing to anyone with and ounce of common sense and integrity.
Laughable......you demand a sitting president of the United States invite a world leader to a meeting and then accuse him of an unproven cyber attack simply to placate "your bigotry"? Yep...we can trust the DEEP STATE intel. Was it not Hillary Clinton and the DNC that used foreign agents and Russian agents to attack her political opponent? Where's the outrage for this documented COLLUSION? If anyone really wanted to get to the bottom of any RUSSIAN/US POLITICAL PARTY collusion....would the STEELE DOSSIER not be a good starting point?
How far will the left carry this Russia ruse against our President? Clearly, China is more of a viable threat to our democracy than Russia ever could be......but that does not stop the ONE WORLD ORDER ELEISTS from war mongering in order to maintain what little political power they can garner.
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ThatOwlWoman (07-16-2018)
ThatOwlWoman (07-16-2018)
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
A lie doesn't become the truth, wrong doesn't become right, and evil doesn't become good just because it is accepted by a majority.
Author: Booker T. Washington
ThatOwlWoman (07-16-2018)
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