"Getting along with Russia is a good thing - not a bad thing"

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After recent events & revelations, the timing is embarrassing and completely inappropriate.

It's just like w/ Kim - he's giving Putin EXACTLY what he wants, for free. Trump is weak.

But he's really tough w/ Canada. It's so impressive.

What recent developments do you speak of Thingy? What does Putin want exactly? Did he tell you?

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And Obama wanted to go public, but McConnell refused.

And Obama directed Comey to investigate it, but then Trump fired Comey.

So how is this not your fault since your guys seemed to obstruct justice for this?

Obama takes orders from McCuntell? Really? Who knew?

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What recent developments do you speak of Thingy? What does Putin want exactly? Did he tell you?

Russia's activities during our election are no longer disputable.

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Obama wanted to issue a joint statement so it wouldn't look like he was trying to sway the election in a political way. McConnell refused.

Then Obama had Comey investigate it, but Trump fired Comey.

So Obama was weak? Thanks for confirming

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No - that's 100% accurate. Sorry.

Does the phrase ‘the 80’s want their foreign policy back’ ring any bells?

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It's not Russiaphobia when they have actually DONE something negative, and no one is talking about "lock step hate." You're the one fear-mongering w/ language like that and "Cold War 2." Most are just talking about sensible diplomacy, and at least pretending it means something when it's proven that an adversary has tried to exert a significant influence on your domestic policy.

you are wondering all over the place. How can you improve relations as you say you want to,without a meeting?
There ARE NO LOWER LEVEL TALKS at all going on. yes relations are that sour.

Further you do not understand the increased weaponization pushed by both sides - we are talking permanent deployments in Finland. Talk of "Putin eyeing the Balkans" and a possible new permanent base in Poland.
If that isn't Cold War 2, I don't know what is..

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Russia's activities during our election are no longer disputable.

Maybe so, but their effectiveness is absolutely debatable.

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Obama takes orders from McCuntell? Really? Who knew?

If Obama had made a statement by himself that Putin was attacking our country, McConnell and the Conservatives would have politicized it.

That was a calculation on Obama's part; I guess he didn't assume that the GOP would cozy up to Russia if they thought it would help them win the election. Obviously, we know that is the case today.

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Does the phrase ‘the 80’s want their foreign policy back’ ring any bells?

So?

Are you honestly trying to compare the idea that Russia is no longer our top threat w/ the idea that they should still be treated as an adversary w/ ulterior motives?

It's not that complex, Darth. Nothing about that is contradictory in the slightest. It's just common sense, on both counts.

The lengths you guys go to in order to defend Trump - it's really amazing.

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So Obama was weak? Thanks for confirming

Obama wasn't weak - he had Comey investigate.

The weakling was Trump for firing Comey because of Russia.

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Russia's activities during our election are no longer disputable.

so you wantthat to be the be all and end all..no talking,,no trying to improve relations.

No look to cooperate on Syria, no chance to solve Ukraine...just more and more da Russian hacked..blah blah.
No chance to triangulate against China...

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Maybe so, but their effectiveness is absolutely debatable.

And that makes a difference...how again?

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so you wantthat to be the be all and end all..no talking,,no trying to improve relations.

No look to cooperate on Syria, no chance to solve Ukraine...just more and more da Russian hacked..blah blah.
No chance to triangulate against China...

Who said I don't want to improve relations?

We should do it on OUR terms. Not theirs. That's what you're missing - and what you missed w/ Kim.

It's called mature foreign policy. Trump is acting like a naïve child.

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so you wantthat to be the be all and end all..no talking,,no trying to improve relations

So relations are frought because...?

Putin invaded and annexed Crimea?
Putin's FSB attacked us and other western democracies?
Putin bombs Syrian civilians?

So Trump's going to improve relations by...apologizing to Putin?

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Russia's activities during our election are no longer disputable.

And? Your point is what?

Do you think this is the first time Russia or the Soviet Union has tried to interfere in a US election?

Do you think the US has interfered in other countries elections? Are you OK with that?

Of course Russia tried to interfere in our election. Nobody denies they tried to sow discord. What is disputable was that they colluded with the Trump administration AND had any impact on the election.

Like all issues you lefties try to conflate issues. So in you TDS mind, saying that Trump/Russian collusion is a witch hunt means to you that we don't believe Russia tried to meddle. I am sure you will try to play cute.