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    Quote Originally Posted by Gotcha68 View Post
    You forgot the part where Putin has people murdered. Have yet to discover whether Trump aspires to be that kind of "smart and clever" (redundant) kind of leader.
    Trump was asking if he could invade Venezuela.
    It was is all the media, except perhaps for WorldNutDaily, Fox, and InfoWar

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    “I think the European Union is a foe,” Trump said. “What they do to us in trade. Now you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe.”
    Ohhh...IMPEACH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    "...according to a sweeping indictment Friday by special counsel Robert S. Mueller III. At or around the same time, the hackers also targeted 76 email addresses used by the Clinton campaign, investigators said." "Mueller alleges".

    So, allegations.

    Unproven allegations.
    That's OUR (meaning the US) intel agencies...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Creeper View Post
    Trump was asking if he could invade Venezuela. It was is all the media, except perhaps for WorldNutDaily, Fox, and InfoWar
    I heard you tried to invade some women, and you didn't ask first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lush View Post
    That's OUR (meaning the US) intel agencies...
    Think so?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lush View Post
    Legion, Does the troll farm pay you by the post or by the word?
    Ad hominem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Switzerland has had plenty of adversaries historically, haven;t they?

    In today's worlds, they are neutral.
    I was watching John Huntsman on Chris Wallace. Huntsman is a lifelong diplomat and a really smart guy.

    He was saying while we can agree on Russian hackings- we can't continue to base the entire relationship on that.
    There are too many pressing problems we could cooperate on or look to improve ( NK ,Ukraine, Syria )
    he even mentioned the old idea of triangulation Nixon used on Russia with ping pong diplomacy.

    I thought it was a good perspective..we can keep the sanctions on until we see less meddling -
    but we can't just keep looking backward.

    I find it odd no one ever mentions Chinese hacking and trade abuses..but that's another story

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Libs a clueless. They don't understand business at all.

    Trump made a business decision when looking for funding for his real estate ventures. He felt he was getting a better deal from Russian investors than US banks. He's a businessman, he's supposed to take the best deal.
    You are wrong again. Trumps bankruptcies turned off American bankers and they refused to back him anymore. He wasn't getting a better deal, but the only deal. That made him in Russian banking debt financially and ethically. Russia has a huge power over Trump and it shows.

    Trump has been voicing Russian international political lines since he got the money. No the EU and NATo are not our foes. But Russia is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    Some people say Obama had people murdered, don't they?

    https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2016/11/14/13577464/obama-farewell-speech-torture-drones-nsa-surveillance-trump
    Not sure about Obama, but wasn't there a connection between Hillary and Seth Rich?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Not sure about Obama, but wasn't there a connection between Hillary and Seth Rich?
    No. Only in the minds of the delusional.


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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    No. Only in the minds of the delusional.
    There seem to be plenty of news articles about Seth Rich and his connections to Hillary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    You are wrong again. Trumps bankruptcies turned off American bankers and they refused to back him anymore. He wasn't getting a better deal, but the only deal. That made him in Russian banking debt financially and ethically. Russia has a huge power over Trump and it shows.

    Trump has been voicing Russian international political lines since he got the money. No the EU and NATo are not our foes. But Russia is.
    Trump knows how to handle our enemies. He's made it clear he won't tolerate any shenanigans from the Iranian government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    “I think the European Union is a foe,” Trump said. “What they do to us in trade. Now you wouldn’t think of the European Union, but they’re a foe.”
    I don't disagree with the idea that an ally can also be a foe in a particular area however I generally think the EU is an excellent trade partner. Of course I'm a free trader and support our previous multi-national trade agreements which puts me against the American working class, or so I'm told, but our trade with the EU has economically benefitted our country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    I was watching John Huntsman on Chris Wallace. Huntsman is a lifelong diplomat and a really smart guy. He was saying while we can agree on Russian hackings- we can't continue to base the entire relationship on that.
    One man's opinion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cawacko View Post
    Uur trade with the EU has economically benefitted our country.
    In what ways, specifically?

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