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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Why should we apologize for that? Hillary told the laid off coal miners they'd never get their jobs back. How did you think they'd react?
    They are not getting their jobs back. Dirty energy is fading away. She actually offered hope, educating them about clean energy and jobs in that field, which is going to be around a long time. What she said. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...out-coal-jobs/

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Craft View Post
    Of course he does- cuz' you're a cranky assed old partisan fart.
    Moi?

    Non!

    But...you are a person who defends Donald Trump...and as I said, it helps to be a horse's ass if you are defending Donald Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Why should we apologize for that? Hillary told the laid off coal miners they'd never get their jobs back. How did you think they'd react?
    How many got their jobs back so far?


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    DUMP! DUMP! DUMP! DUMP! DUMP! DUMP! DUMP!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nordberg View Post
    So much more than that. trump is an embarrassment. he has a vocabulary of a child and manners of a street thug. But it is his alienation of our NATO and European allies that is so problematic. Trump is more comfortable with dictators than democratic leaders.

    Yep, his speech is problematic. But his remaking the world into Trump and Putin v the wolrd is crazy. He is rude to everyone but Putin. He could not even force himself to act properly with The Englih royalty. But he will be blowing putin tomorrow. That is what the repubs want. i don't know why.
    Yet he kicked YOUR ASS. Must be sobering to admit that you had your ass kicked by such a NOTHING BURGER. More TDS? You can't say that he has retarded progressive politics in the least....as the left has not had an original idea since the 1930s. The simple answer is demonstrated in the effects since 2016. America is being made Great Again...….Trump was elected because of the failed politics of socialism. It was simply time for a change from failure after failure. Its not rocket science. Of course the majority of US CITIZENS are better off than they were just 2 years ago, that is why the 2018 midterms will seal the deal for everything that Trump promised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Yet he kicked YOUR ASS. Must be sobering to admit that you had your ass kicked by such a NOTHING BURGER. More TDS? You can't say that he has retarded progressive politics in the least....as the left has not had an original idea since the 1930s. The simple answer is demonstrated in the effects since 2016. America is being made Great Again...….Trump was elected because of the failed politics of socialism. It was simply time for a change from failure after failure. Its not rocket science. Of course the majority of US CITIZENS are better off than they were just 2 years ago, that is why the 2018 midterms will seal the deal for everything that Trump promised.
    Talk about "original ideas" from the 1930's...

    ...one of the original ideas from the 1930's were the ones some Germans had about Adolf Hitler. He was going to make Germany GREAT again. They shoulda had red hats with MGGA emblazoned on 'em...although that would not have the zing of MAGA.

    But that is what you jerkoffs resemble...the Germans of the 1930's.

    Here is what Germany looked like after Hitler got done making IT great again:


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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Can any of you libs tell me why Democrats lost the coal miners' vote?

    I bet you thought you had voters like that solidly in your camp.

    because coal miners as a rule aren't very educated and and the uneducated are who voted for Trump

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    Quote Originally Posted by Francis View Post
    Talk about "original ideas" from the 1930's...

    ...one of the original ideas from the 1930's were the ones some Germans had about Adolf Hitler. He was going to make Germany GREAT again. They shoulda had red hats with MGGA emblazoned on 'em...although that would not have the zing of MAGA.

    But that is what you jerkoffs resemble...the Germans of the 1930's.

    Here is what Germany looked like after Hitler got done making IT great again:
    Libs like you constantly compare Trump to Hitler yet Hitler is your guy, brownshirt. Too funny.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    It was her Let Them Eat Cake moment plain and simple. Billy Clinton made the same sort of promise about NAFTA and tobacco farming and now the DNC cackles about welfare states and mocks the south. Where were all these transitions to a new modern economy jobs created? California that's where. The democrats reward their donors while crushing anyone that doesn't support them. Hillary was no different other than she was honest when she said that she found people who didn't support her deplorable.
    Not what she referred to. it was the Trumpers that attacked protesters in and out of the stadium. Like that old goat that elbowed tha black person they were removing from Trumps rally for having an opinion. deplorable
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    Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post
    How many got their jobs back so far?
    Guess herbie doesn't know so I'll post it.

    "But not much has changed for the nation’s ailing coal industry since Trump moved into the White House. Coal employment and production are up just slightly, coal consumption is down, and coal prices have fallen a little below where they were the day that Trump took office.

    “I don’t think Trump has had any effect on coal so far,” said Noah Kaufman, a research scholar at Columbia University’s Center on Global Energy Policy...

    Coal employment has barely budged under Trump. Roughly 2,000 new coal jobs were created during Trump’s first eight months in office, but those numbers started to level off last October. By the end of 2017, the total number of coal jobs gained over the previous year was just 900, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...how/479587002/


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kacper View Post
    It was her Let Them Eat Cake moment plain and simple. Billy Clinton made the same sort of promise about NAFTA and tobacco farming and now the DNC cackles about welfare states and mocks the south. Where were all these transitions to a new modern economy jobs created? California that's where. The democrats reward their donors while crushing anyone that doesn't support them. Hillary was no different other than she was honest when she said that she found people who didn't support her deplorable.
    Deflection

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Craft View Post
    Evan Sayet explains Trump’s popularity and success. This is perhaps the best explanation for Trump's popularity .

    He wrote the following:

    Trump’s 'lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship'

    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

    Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

    We tried statesmanship.

    Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

    We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

    And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

    I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

    I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

    I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

    Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

    The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

    With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

    During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

    Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

    Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

    That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

    It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

    Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.

    This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

    Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

    So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

    These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

    So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!
    fights for Russia ,you mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shallon Peterson View Post
    Deflection
    From your falsehoods most truth is

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    Not only do I agree with the OP, but may I add to it?
    There is nothing about Trump that is conventional. He has no fear of offending and no fear of taking a position even one that offends establishment repubs. Qualities that have made me vote libertarian the last 19 yrs. Somehow it works for him yet could never work for anybody else. I can't explain it.
    He is also very good at playing the victim, eliciting sympathy from his supporters while solidifying his base. It's him and his base against the media, the dims , and establishment repubs who aren't much different than elite leftists .
    Just an observation from an objective, liberal observer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by J Craft View Post
    Evan Sayet explains Trump’s popularity and success. This is perhaps the best explanation for Trump's popularity .

    He wrote the following:

    Trump’s 'lack of decorum, dignity, and statesmanship'

    My Leftist friends (as well as many ardent #NeverTrumpers) constantly ask me if I’m not bothered by Donald Trump’s lack of decorum. They ask if I don’t think his tweets are “beneath the dignity of the office.”

    Here’s my answer: We Right-thinking people have tried dignity. There could not have been a man of more quiet dignity than George W. Bush as he suffered the outrageous lies and politically motivated hatreds that undermined his presidency.

    We tried statesmanship.

    Could there be another human being on this earth who so desperately prized “collegiality” as John McCain?

    We tried propriety – has there been a nicer human being ever than Mitt Romney?

    And the results were always the same. This is because, while we were playing by the rules of dignity, collegiality and propriety, the Left has been, for the past 60 years, engaged in a knife fight where the only rules are those of Saul Alinsky and the Chicago mob.

    I don’t find anything “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper” about Barack Obama’s lying about what went down on the streets of Ferguson in order to ramp up racial hatreds because racial hatreds serve the Democratic Party.

    I don’t see anything “dignified” in lying about the deaths of four Americans in Benghazi and imprisoning an innocent filmmaker to cover your tracks.

    I don’t see anything “statesman-like” in weaponizing the IRS to be used to destroy your political opponents and any dissent.

    Yes, Obama was “articulate” and “polished” but in no way was he in the least bit “dignified,” “collegial” or “proper.”

    The Left has been engaged in a war against America since the rise of the Children of the ‘60s. To them, it has been an all-out war where nothing is held sacred and nothing is seen as beyond the pale.. It has been a war they’ve fought with violence, the threat of violence, demagoguery and lies from day one – the violent take-over of the universities – till today.

    The problem is that, through these years, the Left has been the only side fighting this war. While the Left has been taking a knife to anyone who stands in their way, the Right has continued to act with dignity, collegiality and propriety.

    With Donald Trump, this all has come to an end. Donald Trump is America ’s first wartime president in the Culture War.

    During wartime, things like “dignity” and “collegiality” simply aren’t the most essential qualities one looks for in their warriors. Ulysses Grant was a drunk whose behavior in peacetime might well have seen him drummed out of the Army for conduct unbecoming.

    Had Abraham Lincoln applied the peacetime rules of propriety and booted Grant, the Democrats might well still be holding their slaves today.

    Lincoln rightly recognized that, “I cannot spare this man. He fights.”

    General George Patton was a vulgar-talking.. In peacetime, this might have seen him stripped of rank. But, had Franklin Roosevelt applied the normal rules of decorum then, Hitler and the Socialists would barely be five decades into their thousand-year Reich.

    Trump is fighting. And what’s particularly delicious is that, like Patton standing over the battlefield as his tanks obliterated Rommel’s, he’s shouting, “You magnificent bastards, I read your book!”

    That is just the icing on the cake, but it’s wonderful to see that not only is Trump fighting, he’s defeating the Left using their own tactics. That book is Saul Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals – a book so essential to the Liberals’ war against America that it is and was the playbook for the entire Obama administration and the subject of Hillary Clinton’s senior thesis.

    It is a book of such pure evil, that, just as the rest of us would dedicate our book to those we most love or those to whom we are most indebted, Alinsky dedicated his book to Lucifer.

    Trump’s tweets may seem rash and unconsidered but, in reality, he is doing exactly what Alinsky suggested his followers do. First, instead of going after “the fake media” — and they are so fake that they have literally gotten every single significant story of the past 60 years not just wrong, but diametrically opposed to the truth, from the Tet Offensive to Benghazi, to what really happened on the streets of Ferguson, Missouri — Trump isolated CNN.. He made it personal.

    Then, just as Alinsky suggests, he employs ridicule which Alinsky described as “the most powerful weapon of all.”... Most importantly, Trump’s tweets have put CNN in an untenable and unwinnable position. ... They need to respond.

    This leaves them with only two choices. They can either “go high” (as Hillary would disingenuously declare of herself and the fake news would disingenuously report as the truth) and begin to honestly and accurately report the news or they can double-down on their usual tactics and hope to defeat Trump with twice their usual hysteria and demagoguery. The problem for CNN (et al.) with the former is that, if they were to start honestly reporting the news, that would be the end of the Democratic Party they serve. It is nothing but the incessant use of fake news (read: propaganda) that keeps the Left alive.

    Imagine, for example, if CNN had honestly and accurately reported then-candidate Barack Obama’s close ties to foreign terrorists (Rashid Khalidi), domestic terrorists (William Ayers & Bernardine Dohrn), the mafia (Tony Rezko) or the true evils of his spiritual mentor, Jeremiah Wright’s church.

    Imagine if they had honestly and accurately conveyed the evils of the Obama administration’s weaponizing of the IRS to be used against their political opponents or his running of guns to the Mexican cartels or the truth about the murder of Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the Obama administration’s cover-up.

    So, to my friends on the Left — and the #NeverTrumpers as well — do I wish we lived in a time when our president could be “collegial” and “dignified” and “proper”? Of course I do.

    These aren’t those times. This is war. And it’s a war that the Left has been fighting without opposition for the past 50 years.

    So, say anything you want about this president - I get it - he can be vulgar, he can be crude, he can be undignified at times. I don’t care. I can’t spare this man. He fights for America!
    your own team savaged every one of these men

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