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    Former FBI Director James Comey maintained he did not make any decision on the email investigation of former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton until after Hillary Clinton’s interview, even though his conclusion memo was written, edited and watered down months in advance of his announcement. We have all of the timing, the drafts of the memo, and the dates and times of the edits.

    Former CIA head John Brennan denied he supplied the Steele dossier on Trump to then-Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid in the face of mounting evidence that he did precisely that and, at least orally, gave the former Nevada Democrat a full account of the dossier, leading Reid to write a public letter demanding an investigation.

    Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe has flatly denied that he lied to the FBI about orchestrating a self-serving leak, even denying knowledge in several interviews with FBI investigators, including one session that Department of Justice (DOJ) Inspector General Michael Horowitz has on tape, if one reads the fine print of his report.

    Now comes Strzok who, to the actual applause of congressional Democrats, denies he ever did anything in 26 years that contained even a hint of bias, despite the most damning evidence imaginable in the record — quote after quote indicating, at each and every phase of the Trump-Russia investigation, that he hated Trump, would create an “insurance policy” against his victory, and would “stop” him from serving as president. On a trip to Walmart, he says he can “smell” the Trump voters there. After all, he said, he expected his texts would be private communications — even as he used government devices to avoid detection of his relationship with then-FBI attorney Lisa Page, with whom he texted.

    And like all the other witnesses, he does not come in contrite but with verbal guns blazing. These witnesses seem to believe they belong to a protected class. He offered no proof that he carefully acted to separate these views — which he constantly expressed to his paramour Page, who also was on the investigation — from his actions that are now under investigation. It is false, by the way, to say he was cleared of bias in the Trump-Russia investigation; the inspector general faulted Strzok’s texts and is currently investigating the origins of that investigation.

    Remarkably, we learned that special counsel Robert Mueller never even made the slightest direct inquiry into Strzok’s actions and behavior, other than to remove him from the investigation. Mueller, you may recall, for five months ducked answering congressional inquiries as to why Strzok and Page were reassigned, and we only learned the reasons when the DOJ inspector general sent these text messages to Congress. Mueller, it seems, was too busy combing every single email of the transition team, and later monitoring every single call of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, to stop and review how this bias might have tainted much of the evidence of his investigation and require new interviews of witnesses or other action.

    One other revelation in Thursday’s congressional hearing was really quite stunning: Strzok named fellow FBI official Bruce Ohr, whose wife was hired by the political opposition research firm Fusion GPS, as someone who handed in a version of the Steele dossier to the FBI. And Congressman Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.) read from an email indicating that Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.), journalist David Corn of Mother Jones magazine and Fusion GPS co-founder Glenn Simpson all had sent versions of the Steele dossier to the FBI. (Simpson, by the way, testified he never dealt with the FBI.) At that point, just as it was getting interesting, Strzok claimed the FBI was barring him from answering any further questions on this material.

    This revelation goes to the very heart of the matter of how bias led to a ridiculous, unverified group of mostly easily disproven allegations being treated as if they were the holy grail to stop Trump from becoming president. Dossier compiler and former British spy Christopher Steele, who also lied to the FBI about his press contacts, and Simpson apparently created a massive echo chamber involving the State Department, the CIA, politicians such as Reid and McCain, and the FBI — through the undisclosed relationship with Ohr’s wife — to spread what was all the same information, from the same unverified sources, as though it was coming in from all over. And this was all paid for through undisclosed contributions from the Democratic National Committee and the Hillary Clinton campaign. Remember, her State Department aides denied to the FBI even knowing that she had her own email server as secretary of State, despite clearly communicating about it in emails, and those who smashed and destroyed evidence were given either immunity or a pass.

    While former Trump national security adviser Michael Flynn and others have been prosecuted for lying to the FBI over communications and actions that appear to be perfectly legal, the FBI and the rest of the deep state have been allowed so far to thumb their noses at Congress and the American people without any serious repercussions. No wonder, for the first time, that fewer than 50 percent of respondents approve of the Mueller investigation in the latest Fox News poll.

    News flash: President Clinton did have an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Not everyone got to keep their existing insurance and doctors under ObamaCare. Trump’s in-person inaugural crowd was smaller than Obama’s turnout. And some of these deep state actors have testified under oath in ways that, to any reasonable person, would seem less than honest.
    http://thehill.com/opinion/white-hou...the-deep-state
    Mark Penn served as pollster and adviser to President Clinton from 1995 to 2000, including during Clinton’s impeachment. You can follow him on Twitter @Mark_Penn.

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    Horowitz’s investigators also interviewed FBI Agent Peter Strzok in detail about an application for a secret court order to monitor Page after he left the Trump campaign, and Strzok is expected to return soon for more questions, a person familiar with the matter said. Strzok, who once led the probe, has become infamous for anti-Trump texts he exchanged with an FBI lawyer.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.830d7dfbd604

    Hopefully Horowitz nails these guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    Horowitz’s investigators also interviewed FBI Agent Peter Strzok in detail about an application for a secret court order to monitor Page after he left the Trump campaign, and Strzok is expected to return soon for more questions, a person familiar with the matter said. Strzok, who once led the probe, has become infamous for anti-Trump texts he exchanged with an FBI lawyer.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.830d7dfbd604

    Hopefully Horowitz nails these guys
    Horowitz is only an investigator, he has no prosecutorial powers. Without a special counsel, or federal prosecutor, nothing will come of any of this in the way of justice. It is clear that justice is dead in this country. We have a multi-tiered "justice system". This will never be fixed at the ballot box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Horowitz is only an investigator, he has no prosecutorial powers. Without a special counsel, or federal prosecutor, nothing will come of any of this in the way of justice. It is clear that justice is dead in this country. We have a multi-tiered "justice system". This will never be fixed at the ballot box.
    I believe it can be. The American sheeple has an opportunity to send a HUGE message to the Democratic Party of the Jackass and Fake media this November and in 2020 with Trumps re-election.
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    I always find it amusing that in an utterly corrupt political/economic system within the empire, the masses can be kept so easily neutered by pointing them toward the latest corruption event with a partisanshithead angle to lead them away from the totality of that very issue; corruption as the bedrock of american life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I believe it can be. The American sheeple has an opportunity to send a HUGE message to the Democratic Party of the Jackass and Fake media this November and in 2020 with Trumps re-election.
    Nah, it doesn't matter who is in power, the swamp will never truly be drained. Look at the justice department at this very moment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I believe it can be. The American sheeple has an opportunity to send a HUGE message to the Democratic Party of the Jackass and Fake media this November and in 2020 with Trumps re-election.
    a) That party is corporatist just like the "other" party
    b) You cannot teach that party anything, even losing to Don hasn't taught them anything
    c) One party down, one to go
    d Your media machine is corporate state media, owned by 6 transnational corporations pard

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Nah, it doesn't matter who is in power, the swamp will never truly be drained. Look at the justice department at this very moment.

    Article five, or Civil War II. The only hope for the USA.
    And the ever present cabal of Goldman Sachs execs in the white house, same as it ever was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Horowitz is only an investigator, he has no prosecutorial powers. Without a special counsel, or federal prosecutor, nothing will come of any of this in the way of justice. It is clear that justice is dead in this country. We have a multi-tiered "justice system". This will never be fixed at the ballot box.
    He is supposed to be working with a US State atty. - some guy named Huber in Utah -to subpoena and prosecute.

    It sounds unwieldy -Sessions set it up

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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Horowitz is only an investigator, he has no prosecutorial powers. Without a special counsel, or federal prosecutor, nothing will come of any of this in the way of justice. It is clear that justice is dead in this country. We have a multi-tiered "justice system". This will never be fixed at the ballot box.
    We realized that when it became obvious Obama would never spend a day in jail for illegally wiretapping Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    We realized that when it became obvious Obama would never spend a day in jail for illegally wiretapping Trump.
    one thing at a time on that..also the record unmasking by Powers..the whole thing is a sordid mess

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    He is supposed to be working with a US State atty. - some guy named Huber in Utah -to subpoena and prosecute.

    It sounds unwieldy -Sessions set it up
    I'll believe it when I see it. I suspect it will be nothing more than a couple of scapegoats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    Horowitz is only an investigator, he has no prosecutorial powers. Without a special counsel, or federal prosecutor, nothing will come of any of this in the way of justice. It is clear that justice is dead in this country. We have a multi-tiered "justice system". This will never be fixed at the ballot box.
    Isn't there a federal AG named Sessions who can handle such prosecutions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    He is supposed to be working with a US State atty. - some guy named Huber in Utah -to subpoena and prosecute.

    It sounds unwieldy -Sessions set it up
    Huber is a federal prosecutor for the district of Utah.

    He is supposedly working in conjunction with Horowitz but you hear *nothing* about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anatta View Post
    "dishonesty of the deep state "
    Got to love it, yet another regurgitation of nearly every unverified innuendo fabricated to undermine the Mueller investigation

    To begin, the author's intro is interesting, he talks the time to single out Clinton and Obama for lying, then inserts Sean Spicer as the Trump representative, Sean Spicer, Trump lies an at unprecedented rate, often more than once a day, and he employs Sean Spicer, who even with the lie is just repeating a lie Trump originated. Right there you got the level of honesty to follow in the article

    And then we have "Strzok who.......denies he ever did anything in 26 years that contained even a hint of bias," wrong, what Strzok said that his bias never effected his work, which was validated by the IG, "we found no evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations. Rather, we concluded that they were based on the prosecutor’s assessment of facts, the law and past department practice.”

    Amazing how conservatives, a day after Mueller documents a direct connection between Russian espionage efforts in 2016 and the Kremlin, are still focusing on a dozen phrases from over five thousands Emails hoping to halt the only examination of this adversarial nation's efforts to undermine our election system. And what makes it even more bewildering is that intelligence entities are saying that the Russians are already beginning to do the same in 2018, yet conservatives think finding the facts aren't important

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