poll:who was best Pres in your lifetime

[Irish Exit]

People hate war. Nobody wants a president that prolongs a war. Bush Sr just followed the agreed upon UN resolution. Americans were glad the war was over and their boys and girls were coming home. Going after Saddam would've taken another year and more dead American soldiers. Do you really think Americans wanted that? I don't.
But Saying you're not going to raise taxes and then going back on that promise betrays the voters trust. They don't forget it.

Do you think America wanted almost 10 years of no-fly zones followed by the eventual invasion of Iraq to remove someone because the job hadn't been done right the first time? For people to hate war, we sure do spend a lot of time in it.

[Joe Capitalist]

Do you think America wanted almost 10 years of no-fly zones followed by the eventual invasion of Iraq to remove someone because the job hadn't been done right the first time? For people to hate war, we sure do spend a lot of time in it.

Do you really think that Americans considered 10 years of no-fly zones followed by the eventual invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam as the only other alternative to war? Think about what you're saying. Nobody in 1991 could look into the future. Not even you. Your point is flaccid and you have 20/20 hindsight.
You say "For people to hate war, we sure do spend a lot of time in it." people don't declare war. Governments do. Are you trying to convince us that people DON'T hate war? Good luck with that.

[Irish Exit]

Do you really think that Americans considered 10 years of no-fly zones followed by the eventual invasion of Iraq to remove Saddam as the only other alternative to war? Think about what you're saying. Nobody in 1991 could look into the future. Not even you. Your point is flaccid and you have 20/20 hindsight.
You say "For people to hate war, we sure do spend a lot of time in it." people don't declare war. Governments do. Are you trying to convince us that people DON'T hate war? Good luck with that.

Americans don't feel great unless their sabers are all a'flurry. Your governments not the people shtick shows a fundamental misunderstanding of western democracy there, Ivan Dat Phu-sakov.

[Joe Capitalist]

Americans don't feel great unless their sabers are all a'flurry. Your governments not the people shtick shows a fundamental misunderstanding of western democracy there, Ivan Dat Phu-sakov.

Americans don't feel great unless their sabers are all a flurry? Really? Where does it say that? Or did you just pull that our of your assumption? I hope you forgive me but I don't believe you. You have zero facts or data to base that on. I mean it sounds real eloquent and all but we all know it's bull shit.
People hate war. All people hate war. People have always hated war. Good hates war. What is it good for. Absolutely nothing.
The fact that you think otherwise shows a fundamental misunderstanding of human nature and faith in humanity.

[Superfreak]

I think you might have left a recession out of the mix, there.

Again... two quarters out of 12 years. One of which was barely negative. It was a very mild blip in the overall boom.

[Superfreak]

1. So, the tax cuts Obama did were for working people, and were deficit neutral.
2. Even with those tax cuts, it still wasn't enough to make the recovery stronger because when people get tax cuts, they don't spend them. They save them. Particularly the wealthy.
3. If you are trying to recover an economy from a collapse, increasing savings isn't going to reverse the contraction; only spending will.
4. Obama had to put those dumb tax cuts in there to secure the votes of Blue Dog democrats who were still married to that stupid dogma from the 1990's.
5. The direct spending is what created the most jobs out of the stimulus, according to the CBO and the Senate Finance Committee's study of the ARRA after it was done.
6. Shut the hell up forever.

you think those living paycheck to paycheck are going to 'save money' when they get a tax break? LMAO

[LV426]

you think those living paycheck to paycheck are going to 'save money' when they get a tax break? LMAO

Of course not, which is the point.

[cawacko]

Of course not, which is the point.

That's why Keynesians support tax cuts. And you haven't shown how they were deficit neutral

[LV426]

That's why Keynesians support tax cuts. And you haven't shown how they were deficit neutral

Keynesians don't support tax cuts for the rich.

[cawacko]

Keynesians don't support tax cuts for the rich.

The stimulus tax cuts, according to Obama, was about putting money in the hands of those who will spend it. That's why it was short term. It was the opposite of supply side. But because you don't understand any of this you just shout racism because it's your default mechanism

[LV426]

The stimulus tax cuts, according to Obama, was about putting money in the hands of those who will spend it. That's why it was short term. It was the opposite of supply side. But because you don't understand any of this you just shout racism because it's your default mechanism

Yeah, and he did the tax cut because blue dogs didn't want to increase spending.

So how is this an indictment of anything I've said?

[cawacko]

Yeah, and he did the tax cut because blue dogs didn't want to increase spending.

So how is this an indictment of anything I've said?

The stimulus was a combination tax cut and increased spending. You claimed the tax cut was revenue neutral but have shown nothing to back that claim.

[LV426]

The stimulus was a combination tax cut and increased spending. You claimed the tax cut was revenue neutral but have shown nothing to back that claim.

The payroll tax cut was not a part of the ARRA.

[cawacko]

The payroll tax cut was not a part of the ARRA.

It was part of the "stimulus". Not sure why you are trying to argue technicalities

[LV426]

It was part of the "stimulus". Not sure why you are trying to argue technicalities

The stimulus is the ARRA, dude.

It's the same thing.

The payroll tax cuts came almost two years after the ARRA was passed.