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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I just believe in liberty, and that the state shouldn't dictate to a woman that she is forced to carry a fetus to term.

    I don't find that hilarious in the slightest.
    Do you believe the state should dictate to those told to butt out of her choice that we should support that choice when the choice is to have the child and she can't support it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I just believe in liberty, and that the state shouldn't dictate to a woman that she is forced to carry a fetus to term.

    I don't find that hilarious in the slightest.
    the world is not black and white. The shade of grey in this case is the millions that look at protecting the rights of the unborn.

    You want hilarious - The left is spending half their time crying about Russia interfering in our governance, and the other half worried about how a constitutional reversal might prevent citizens from one state from interfering in the wishes of citizens of another state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
    Before Roe?

    What state was that?

    A Mexican one?
    Any of the 19 states where it was either 1) legal on demand; or 2) legal if a danger to a woman's health, rape, incest, damaged fetus. In many of those states the woman's "health" was given a lot of leeway to allow the doctor to perform an abortion on the woman's request.

    These states probably included a majority of the population (CA, NY, FL, WA, GA, NC., SC, VA, NM, CO, KS, MD,AR)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Legion View Post
    If they did, would they still be liberals, TD?
    True.
    "When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    Are you sure your CONSERVATIVE geniuses have thought this through? [/B]Sure seems like the law of unintended consequences is about to smack your RACIST asses in the face.
    It's fun watching liberals meltdown; especially when they are powerless. Elections do have consequences. See you in November.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centerleftfl View Post
    WTF?

    What is it with the Right and this one young kinda nothing woman that they have trolled and obsessed about for a year now? I just don't get it?
    Roe herself says she made a mistake. She is right, you are always wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lesh View Post
    WIthout abortion...what choices does she have if she isn't ready to have that child?
    Seriously? It really is hard to take such BS as being credible. Are liberals really this weak and pathetic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mott the Hoople View Post
    I think people need to chill and remember The limits of SCOTUS power. The political consequences for a SCOTUS dominated by activists on the extremes of any political party could have dire consequences for that political party. What good is dominanting SCOTUS if it leads to the other party dominating the other branches of government?

    There are political remedies available too. No where is it written in the Constitution that SCOTUS has to be limited to nine jurists. A Democratic dominated congress and White House could easily expand the number of jurist to 11.

    So a there will be plenty of political pressure on Jurist not to go off the political deep end and alienate voters.
    I am always amused when a Republican President is in office, leftist declare a need for moderation on the court. When it is a Democrat, Marxist left leaning dumbfucks like Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Bader Ginsburg are A-Okay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thing1 View Post
    I just believe in liberty, and that the state shouldn't dictate to a woman that she is forced to carry a fetus to term.

    I don't find that hilarious in the slightest.
    You're right; unabridged murder of unborn humans should not be a matter of morality or ethics, after all, we have criminals to protect from the death penalty!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zymurgy View Post
    the world is not black and white. The shade of grey in this case is the millions that look at protecting the rights of the unborn.

    You want hilarious - The left is spending half their time crying about Russia interfering in our governance, and the other half worried about how a constitutional reversal might prevent citizens from one state from interfering in the wishes of citizens of another state.
    So true!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jean-Jacques Dessalines View Post
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    Conservatives are finally getting the Supreme Court they dreamed of
    by Paul Waldman

    For years, the right has treated the Supreme Court as the ultimate consideration when strategizing about presidential and even congressional politics, a prize worth doing anything to seize, whether it’s rallying around candidates whom it has misgivings about or finding repugnant and indefensible procedural maneuvers, such as refusing to consider an appointee simply because he was nominated by a president of the other party.

    Democrats, on the other hand, have thought of control of the court as only one goal among many — important, sure, but not much more important than whether we can achieve health-care reform or a higher minimum wage, and certainly not worth setting aside concerns about procedural fairness.

    Well, now we’re going to find out exactly why the right was so worked up over the court for so long. It’s about to get the activist conservative majority it has dreamed of, and the result is going to be sweeping changes in American life.

    While President Trump plays the appointment of a Supreme Court justice like a reality show, promoting the dramatic reveal of the nominee’s name in tonight’s prime-time special, it almost doesn’t matter which of the contenders is chosen. They were all carefully selected for the president by conservative activists at the Heritage Foundation and the Federalist Society, vetted to ensure that they are devoted to the conservative cause. And when I say “the conservative cause,” I don’t mean just the positions your local Republican congressional candidate might advocate. I mean an expansive, ambitious vision of remaking the entire relationship between Americans and their government.

    A lot of the attention in this confirmation, as in many before it, will focus on Roe v. Wade. That isn’t surprising, since Roe is one of the most controversial decisions in American judicial history and presents an unusual case in which members of one party waver between saying explicitly that they want to banish it and pretending that they actually don’t. They do that because they know that around two-thirds of the public (depending on how you ask the question) opposes overturning the decision.
    1:32
    Opinion | Dear Senate Republicans — force Trump to replace Kennedy with a moderate

    When it comes to replacing Justice Anthony M. Kennedy, columnist Ruth Marcus has some unsolicited advice for President Donald Trump and Republicans. (Adriana Usero, Gillian Brockell/The Washington Post)

    Let’s be clear about this much: Trump promised during the campaign that he’d appoint Supreme Court justices who would vote to overturn Roe, and that’s exactly what he’s going to do. None of the judges from whom he’s selecting his final pick would have been on the list if the Federalist Society were not absolutely, positively sure that they would vote to overturn Roe. As painful as it is to say, it’s already gone. Within a couple of years, abortion will be illegal in multiple conservative states. The court may do it by overturning Roe outright, or they may do it in a slightly roundabout way (perhaps by taking the “undue burden” standard in Planned Parenthood v. Casey and rendering it meaningless by holding that essentially no burden on a woman’s right to choose is undue). But they’re going to do it.

    If you’re hoping that Sens. Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski, the two nominally pro-choice members of the Republican caucus, will step in to ensure that only a nominee who will respect Roe can get confirmed, you might as well stop fooling yourself. Collins and Murkowski will ask the nominee what he’ll do on Roe, and he’ll say that while he can’t take a specific position on any future case, he acknowledges that it’s a very important precedent and precedent must be respected. Then they’ll say that he has put their minds at ease, they’ll vote for him, and he’ll eventually vote to overturn Roe.

    But that’s just the beginning. The real prize for the right is something much broader: a sharp restriction on government’s ability to regulate anything. We may be looking at a return to the Lochner era, named for a 1905 case that struck down a New York state law limiting the hours bakers could be forced to work. The court held that the law arbitrarily interfered in a contract between an employer and his employees. Over the next few decades, they would strike down a series of economic regulations.

    We could well be embarking on a new version of that era, in which the court’s conservatives undermine the entire structure of the regulatory state’s protection of Americans’ interests. Regulations on health insurance companies, say, to ban people from being denied coverage because of preexisting conditions? Sorry, that’s an infringement on the right of the companies to offer whatever products they want to consumers. Environmental regulations? Nope, that, too, is a restriction on economic freedom. Anti-discrimination laws? We can’t tolerate such a limit on freedom of speech and “religious liberty.” Reasonable measures to limit gun violence? No, the Second Amendment is virtually limitless. Limits on direct contributions to candidates? The court has already made a mockery of campaign finance laws meant to stop corruption, so why not just let billionaires hand politicians briefcases full of cash?

    We have no idea how far the new conservative Supreme Court will go, and we know that Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. worries about maintaining the court’s legitimacy and reputation. But with no swing vote left, even Roberts — the new median justice, conservative as he is — will no longer have to make any appeal to the sensibilities of someone like Anthony Kennedy. In the past we’ve seen case after case in which a majority opinion was limited by what Kennedy would tolerate, while Clarence Thomas and Samuel A. Alito Jr. would write a concurring opinion making clear that they’d like to go much farther, often in radical ways. At the time it had little practical effect, but now the conservatives will be unleashed.

    So after years of treating the Supreme Court like an electoral afterthought, Democrats are now going to learn exactly why it has been so important to the right for so long. All of our lives are going to be affected by this new court, in potentially catastrophic ways. And perhaps the future of the court will take the same place in Democratic politics as it does in Republican politics.
    Roe v. Wade will be gone when someone challenges the legal and scientific definition of WHEN HUMAN LIFE BEGINS. Today the technology exists that proves beyond doubt that human life begins at conception not birth. And that technology is used every day in the US RULE OF LAW in determining parenthood and child support...its the unique life signature called DNA. It will be a "NO CONTEST" and it has nothing to do with Religion....but Science and the US CONSTUTION and its guaranteed rights of life and liberty defended by DUE PROCESS. If I were an evil lefty, I'd be very concerned. Roe v. Wade became the law of the land via the sound of a judges gavel and it can be reversed in the same manner. Its predicted that Mr. Trump will have 1 if not 2 more picks for SCOTUS if elected to a 2nd term. Can anyone say...…….HOLY SHIT! ?

    The court system became screwed up by FDR in the 30s when he attempted to stack the court with liberals and by pass the legislative branches of government by executive fiat. Nature often has a way of self correcting man made mistakes. I luv the grinding and gnashing of teeth by the left.....anytime someone simply demands an adherence to the US CONSTITUTION. Our founders were genius loci (the constitution is our guarding spirit.... it lives and breathes even today).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Roe herself says she made a mistake. She is right, you are always wrong.
    Made a mistake about bringing the case? She lied and said she had been raped but had the child before the case was complete.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ralph View Post
    Roe v. Wade will be gone when some challenges the legal and scientific definition of WHEN HUMAN LIFE BEGINS.
    Roe had nothing to do with the issue of when human life begins but when the child becomes viable outside the womb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Roe had nothing to do with the issue of when human life begins but when the child becomes viable outside the womb.
    Exactly: And the constitution dictates DUE PROCESS for all human life. Roe v. Wade had nothing to do with defining life....but SCIENCE does, and DNA proves beyond doubt that life begins at conception when the unique life signature of a human individual life becomes apparent.....by its DNA. Life exists in stages and human life must be protected by LAW until adulthood. Just read the Endangered Species Act which confirms beyond doubt that life exists prior to birth within SPECIES. Its a most difficult thing to argue that humanity is not a unique SPECIES How can 2 contradicting legal precedents exist at the same time? On one hand its the law of the land that life exists before birth......if you are an animal (endangered species act)….on the other hand if you are human life does not exist and is unprotected by law until birth. Go figure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flash View Post
    Made a mistake about bringing the case? She lied and said she had been raped but had the child before the case was complete.
    Yes.

    'Roe' Wants Abortion Case Reversed

    The former plaintiff known as "Jane Roe" in the 1973 U.S. Supreme Court case that legalized abortion sought to have the case overturned in a motion filed Tuesday that asks the courts to consider new evidence that abortion hurts women.

    Norma McCorvey, who joined the anti-abortion fight nearly 10 years ago and says she regrets her role in Roe v. Wade, said the Supreme Court's decision is no longer valid because scientific and anecdotal evidence that has come to light in the last 30 years has shown the negative effects of abortion.


    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/roe-wan...case-reversed/
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