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    I do think we have far too many foreign bases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phantasmal View Post
    I do think we have far too many foreign bases.
    So we're not supposed to protect our oil or our other interests?

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    Quote Originally Posted by noise View Post
    No, but we should have stopped the expansion long ago.
    NATO has become a quasi-political/economic alliance for some states
    NATO is a safety net for all of it's members, but most especially for former members of the Soviet Union, whom Putin would dearly love to repatriate. You would gladly allow Russia to conquer them again. You are an amoral idiot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I agree they need to step up to their financial obligations. I feel the same way about the UN. I do not agree that either are relics and have outlived their usefulness.

    you are being a moron again, stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How did that work for us in WWI? WWII? Korea?
    It didn't even work for Jefferson, though I applaud the idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    So we're not supposed to protect our oil or our other interests?
    Our oil is in this country, Dopey.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    NATO is a safety net for all of it's members, but most especially for former members of the Soviet Union, whom Putin would dearly love to repatriate. You would gladly allow Russia to conquer them again. You are an amoral idiot.
    Insane. Putin can't go after the Baltics (etc.) You are living a John McCain war fantasy.

    Georgia and Ukraine are much different animals then the "old Soviet Union" hegemon.
    These are border states, and Crimea has historically been Russian

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    "NATO is a safety net for all of it's members, but most especially for former members of the Soviet Union, whom Putin would dearly love to repatriate. You would gladly allow Russia to conquer them again. You are an amoral idiot." R #19
    Post Cold War NATO expansion into the former Soviet was a GARGANTUAN blunder !!

    It feeds precisely into Kremlin fear-mongering. It is used to justify Russian actions such as that in Crimea, Ukraine, and Syria.

    Next, NATO is a mutual defense pact (see Art. 5). So we admitted Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary. GET SERIOUS !! How many here sincerely believe if the U.S. is attacked, that what will make the difference about whether the U.S. can preserve its sovereignty is:

    With the dozens of other NATO nations alone, but without Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary we could not preserve our sovereignty, but
    with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary added to the NATO complement, we have a chance to preserve our Constitution.

    COCKY POP !!

    NATO expansion into the former Soviet was military aggression pure and simple. And I suspect Russia has been more tolerant of it than the U.S. would have been if the roles were reversed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    How did that work for us in WWI? WWII? Korea?
    Uhhh worked great in WW1. The fuck you think happened?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rune View Post
    NATO is a safety net for all of it's members, but most especially for former members of the Soviet Union, whom Putin would dearly love to repatriate. You would gladly allow Russia to conquer them again. You are an amoral idiot.
    Not our land, not our problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvilleherb View Post
    Trump is right.

    If the other NATO nations don't buck up, we should consider disbanding the organization.
    your kind will be a relic shortly, Vladimir
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    Post Cold War NATO expansion into the former Soviet was a GARGANTUAN blunder !!

    It feeds precisely into Kremlin fear-mongering. It is used to justify Russian actions such as that in Crimea, Ukraine, and Syria.

    Next, NATO is a mutual defense pact (see Art. 5). So we admitted Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary. GET SERIOUS !! How many here sincerely believe if the U.S. is attacked, that what will make the difference about whether the U.S. can preserve its sovereignty is:

    With the dozens of other NATO nations alone, but without Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary we could not preserve our sovereignty, but
    with Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary added to the NATO complement, we have a chance to preserve our Constitution.

    COCKY POP !!

    NATO expansion into the former Soviet was military aggression pure and simple. And I suspect Russia has been more tolerant of it than the U.S. would have been if the roles were reversed.

    Ref:
    http://nationalinterest.org/feature/...as-anger-10344
    Wow.
    The US is not dependent upon NATO for security.
    What an idiotic statement.
    The US derives it's security from the unenrolled militia, 300 million plus guns in civilian hands.
    Too bad you don't understand this simple fact.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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    "Wow.
    The US is not dependent upon NATO for security.
    What an idiotic statement." R #28
    We concur 100%!

    BUT !!

    It's not my statement. It's YOURS !!

    My statement was that adding Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to NATO won't make the difference between whether the U.S. can preserve our sovereignty, or not.
    In fact, quite the contrary. Post Cold War NATO expansion has only INcreased the risk to the United States, who has been doing the heavy lifting for NATO not just for years, not just for decades, not just since the previous millennium, but for generations !!
    "The US derives it's security from the unenrolled militia, 300 million plus guns in civilian hands.
    Too bad you don't understand this simple fact." R #28
    Now that!!
    my cyber-freng, is an "idiotic statement" !!

    You expound with the ignorance and zeal of a zealot*.
    But your assertion is bogus on many levels:
    - paramilitary
    - strategic
    - legal
    - historic.

    Militiamen may have been useful to General Washington during the Revolution.
    It's a new millennium.
    Warfare has fundamentally changed.
    Our rate of fire has increased from two rounds per minute to 20 rnd in 2.2 seconds, or so (that's the number we got when we emptied a 20 round mag. out of an M-16-A1 at the range).

    Bonus trivia question for you R #28:
    By law, to what U.S. military commander do militiamen report, and take orders from?

    * "In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal."
    Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 24 Nov. 1808, to his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph
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    Quote Originally Posted by sear View Post
    We concur 100%!

    BUT !!

    It's not my statement. It's YOURS !!

    My statement was that adding Poland, the Czech Republic and Hungary to NATO won't make the difference between whether the U.S. can preserve our sovereignty, or not.
    In fact, quite the contrary. Post Cold War NATO expansion has only INcreased the risk to the United States, who has been doing the heavy lifting for NATO not just for years, not just for decades, not just since the previous millennium, but for generations !!

    Now that!!
    my cyber-freng, is an "idiotic statement" !!

    You expound with the ignorance and zeal of a zealot*.
    But your assertion is bogus on many levels:
    - paramilitary
    - strategic
    - legal
    - historic.

    Militiamen may have been useful to General Washington during the Revolution.
    It's a new millennium.
    Warfare has fundamentally changed.
    Our rate of fire has increased from two rounds per minute to 20 rnd in 2.2 seconds, or so (that's the number we got when we emptied a 20 round mag. out of an M-16-A1 at the range).

    Bonus trivia question for you R #28:
    By law, to what U.S. military commander do militiamen report, and take orders from?

    * "In the fevered state of our country, no good can ever result from any attempt to set one of these fiery zealots to rights, either in fact or principle. They are determined as to the facts they will believe, and the opinions on which they will act. Get by them, therefore, as you would by an angry bull; it is not for a man of sense to dispute the road with such an animal."
    Thomas Jefferson (1743-1826), U.S. president. Letter, 24 Nov. 1808, to his grandson, Thomas Jefferson Randolph
    You call into doubt your understanding of history, AND that is the very reason for my signature line.

    Sorry you are so self deluded.
    It is the responsibility of every American citizen to own a modern military rifle.

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